# 1 dead, 3 injured in shooting at a Harlem park

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**Created:** [July 26, 2012, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1-dead-3-injured-in-shooting-at-a-harlem-park/264520 "2012-07-26T14:05:13Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 1, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1-dead-3-injured-in-shooting-at-a-harlem-park/264520/30 "2012-08-01T15:16:56Z")

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> [@Nitrous and Meth, thoughts on using both](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nitrous-and-meth-thoughts-on-using-both/48031/29):
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> Are you saying most gun crimes are done by legal gun owners? I dont understand your first statement.
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> rarely a deterent? thats an impossible statistic to determine…you will never know how many people didn’t commit a crime because a gun was in play. However knowing what I know about the type of people that rob and burglarise ect…theyre cowards and pick the weak target.
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> secondly, gun fights with police are either nuts trying to just kill them, or a last ditch effort to evade them as they would rather die than go back to jail or they think they can actually win and get away. That isnt a supporting argument that guns dont deter crime it just means some people think shooting at police is worth the risk…most don’t.

Even the worst criminals were law obeying citizens for a good period of their life. The point about being armed, is most of the terrible shootings in recent history have been done by legal gun owners.

Impossible statistic to determine? Weren’t you on the side of that gun laws don’t work? That’s also an impossible statistic to determine…

Thirdly, yes gun fights are with people that are nuts. So are the people that shoot up public places.

“Most don’t” - most aren’t on trial for such matters, the ones that don’t fit in “most” are.

If CCW guns were 100% deterrent there wouldn’t be any crimes in Texas or shootouts. They do happen. They happen in small percentages. If they don’t work 100% than it’s not a solution and no policy gun friendly or not works at 100% efficiency, goes back to this can’t be stopped and stupid or insane people shouldn’t have guns.

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