# 1 dead, 3 injured in shooting at a Harlem park

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**Created:** [July 26, 2012, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1-dead-3-injured-in-shooting-at-a-harlem-park/264520 "2012-07-26T14:05:13Z")
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### Author: ![silverandslow1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@silverandslow1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow1)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1-dead-3-injured-in-shooting-at-a-harlem-park/264520/44 "2012-08-05T12:55:10Z")

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> [@Mark's SRT re-do -- no traction at all slight\_smile page 5](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/marks-srt-re-do-no-traction-at-all-page-5/49901/73):
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> Could Jesus came in and blocked all the bullets? Sure, you have enough “could” and “ifs” in your argument to become a politician.
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> Statistics are useless only if you chose to be ignorant of them and refuse to accept that there are situations when having a firearm on you wouldn’t have done shit.
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> [http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display\_arch&article\_id=1643&issue\_id=102008](http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1643&issue_id=102008)
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> [North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout)
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> I can’t even fathom how twisted your mind has to be to try to keep arguing against this. A man with a well thought out plan, ambushes a theater armed to the teeth and disorienting the public as well as killing their visibility and vision by tear gas.
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> If this is so innefective where a lone gunman can kill an attacker in a situation listed above you might want to write a letter to swat teams and tell them their plan is innefective and they will all be killed by a maybe trained, maybe not person with a 9mm.
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> And just for the record, this is your argument as it sits
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> " **If** one person **COULD** have been trained and **IF** they decided not to do what most responsible gun owners on firearms would (not take shots in a crowded panicking theater with low visibility but rather run out and make post against the door) and **IF** they had a conceal carry **gas mask** and didn’t panic in such an ambush (where even trained military personel panics) he **COULD** have possibly penetrated body armor or have gotten a headshot.
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> :crackup
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> I got a more likely scenario for you.
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> IF they all bought lottery tickets and won, they could have their own theater and not get shot!!& :ponder

None of those are my arguments…I just said you can’t just assume that an armed citizen would have had no luck against him. Your trying to say theres no chance a concealed gun carrier would have made a difference…you nor I know that. Maybe this would have been the 1 time out of 14 where a round would have slipped under the gunmans vest.

And there you go again with things I didnt say. How is SWAT ineffective? They wear vests and use tactics in order to lower the chance of being injured or killed…theres always a risk. They don’t become invinsible targets just becuase they wear vests thats what you dont seem to get. Case in point, even when swat has used flashbangs, gas, while wearing level 3 body armor and body bunkers, with military style rifles, some have been killed unfortunatly so its possible.

You also don’t understand I’m conceding that a person with a handgun most likely wouldn’t have been able to stop this person but your argument is absolute saying theres NO chance a person would have stopped him Im saying there is a chance, no matter how small it would have been higher than having noone armed.

PS: Chance with no gun vs a gunmen with a vest is prolly alot lower than 1 out of 14 with one.

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