# 1000 cc vs 600 cc v. track racing **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [September 26, 2008, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534 "2008-09-26T09:13:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/21 "2008-09-26T10:04:52Z")
well said ry guy. for those of you who dont know … my bike has about 2-3x the HP of an SV650… and they were RIPPING through the turns at Mid-ohio. Straights mean very little when you’re losing a ton of ground through the technical parts of the track. ---
**Author:** ![jabbu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jabbu/32/7446_2.png) [@jabbu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jabbu)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/22 "2008-09-26T10:38:42Z")
The 600s seem more in control in the curves, maybe its the weight placement. Every trackday i had i’d brake later then the bigger bikes, pull on them in and just out of the curve, but if it was a good straight to the next, they pull on me like no tomorrow… I’m waiting for a trackday of only 600cc or 1000cc bikes per run, that’d be fun… It was lame having fucking nub liter bikes on the track, shitting in the curve, pulling in the straights, fucking do that elsewhere. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/23 "2008-09-26T11:40:03Z")
interesting willy ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/24 "2008-10-20T11:21:11Z")
The statement is true except for about 0.001% of the population. If you do not make money racing motorcycles, you likely won’t run faster on a 1000. Even on a big track like Road Atlanta, the 1000 times are only 2-3 seconds (1:22ish vs 1:25ish) faster (for the pros). That said, 99% of the riders out there would get absolutely dusted by someone on a smaller bike. There are too many variables to make a blanket statement including “always” things like suspension (and setup), tires and more importantly skill make a far bigger difference. For 99% of the guys out there on liter super sports, they are trying to run similar lap times by applying the point and shoot method of going around the track. Slow in, slow out and then go WOT as soon as you are straight. People on smaller bikes will have a far greater appreciation for trail braking / corner speed. People (like yours truly) that regularly comment about running quicker laps than bigger bikes (on smaller bikes) are doing so because they both enter and exit the corner faster, and most tracks have nowhere near the straight away to get that back (esp. when you have to brake for a corner). I disagree with the comments about working much harder on a liter bike. A properly geared bike will not be chewing through more gears, no one lugs it out of the corner even though its fine to do on the street. Plus, riding a liter bike at the limit requires much much more strength and concentration, just ask Jay if you don’t believe me. He did a lot of weight work to get faster on the liter bikes. In the end, it depends on what your conversation is about. In general, if they are the same pro rider, on properly set up bikes, most tracks will be about even, and only the largest and fastest tracks will give a slight edge to the liter. Just my $.02 ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/25 "2008-10-20T12:14:30Z")
I love the way my 600 handles. In the simplest terms: 600’s typically handle tighter and with more agility than a 1000. 1000’s take off on straights, but depending on the track, they offer disadvantages in most other parts of the course. ---
**Author:** ![ieatpaint](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ieatpaint/32/7311_2.png) [@ieatpaint](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ieatpaint)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/26 "2008-10-20T15:12:37Z")
I do miss the agility of my 600rr, but for me, I ride the street and ride somewhat spiritedly when lack of traffic allows. I love not having to shift a 600 into 4th at 45 so I’m not causing all sorts of ruckus with the exhaust. I also like the fact that my 1000 in 4th gear feels like my 600rr in 2nd gear at almost any rpm. On the other hand, if I were a new rider I’d 100% kill myself on a 1000 because if you’re not smooth on the throttle even around a corner at say 15mph, it’s either going to run wide or get all sorts of squirrely, whereas the 600 won’t be so quick to punish you if you blip the throttle. And yes I know this has little to do with track riding, but I wanted to put it out there for those who have never ridden before and take away from this thread that there is little difference from a 600 to a 1000. There is a huge difference. ---
**Author:** ![psychopjv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psychopjv/32/7251_2.png) [@psychopjv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psychopjv)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/27 "2008-10-20T15:37:30Z")
> [@Willybeen](#): > > A PRO ON BOTH BIKES WOULD GO TO THE 1000 cc. > > But it could go either way dependent on the track… A tiny track like cayuga or jennings would have no purpose of a 1000… you’d be worried about wheel spin, the 1000 is less nimble/agile, and you cant even get out of 4rd on these tiny tracks… > > However a track like midohio or mosport with a huge straight, the advantage would easily go to a 1000. > > Bottom line, a 600 requires a lot more work to make it go fast. LOTS MORE SHIFTING, lots of revving… compare 250cc GP bikes to 125, then compare to motogp bikes, the lines that they take are completely different. > > I dont like having to shift so much on the street, but on the track it was much more fun on a 600… > > I was getting RAPED by some SV650’s at midohio by the way. RAPED. i can’t find this gear anywhere… ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/28 "2008-10-20T16:25:28Z")
look harder then… its in between 3th and 5rd ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/29 "2008-10-21T05:33:16Z")
There must be data online. IIRC, the same riders raced in the 600 and 1000 class of AMA races on speed. That would be the best way to make a comparison. Same rider, and extensive setup work on each machine. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534/30 "2008-10-21T05:38:59Z")
already stated the difference is merely seconds… with the 1000 having the advantage. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1000-cc-vs-600-cc-v-track-racing/55534.md?page=1)