# 19 yr old leaves newborn to die in shoebox
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [September 23, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399 "2008-09-23T19:55:18Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/21 "2008-09-24T06:17:40Z")
Sweet.
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/22 "2008-09-24T06:19:31Z")
you can hide it from the rents if your pregnant… i have seen it done
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### Author:  [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/23 "2008-09-24T06:20:46Z")
> The newborn was placed in a purple and gray box that originally contained a pair of size 7, black Crews shoes — a brand believed to be popular with **fast-food workers** , a source told The Buffalo News.
I dont get it. why are they popular with said employees?
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### Author:  [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/24 "2008-09-24T06:24:13Z")
> [@justa4door](#):
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> you can hide it from the rents if your pregnant… i have seen it done
[FONT=Verdana]That doesn’t make any sense unless you don’t live with them. How would they not realize you’re slowly resembling a bowling ball with each passing day. Not to mention sickness and all the wacky food related stuff that go on with pregnancies. [/FONT]
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/25 "2008-09-24T06:26:27Z")
you know nothing about pregnancies… some girls will not show that much … some will not get sick … some girls will go 8 or 9 months b4 they find out…
you really need to look into it
that girl could have lived with the rents and passed by them everyday and it could have went unnoticed
im sure in this case she did nto live at home due to the dads interview on the news but still 16 year old girls are doing it
there is a young girl i work with that is 8 months prego and she could hide it under a hoodie … she just looks a lil fat .if you looked at her you would not think she is that far you would think she was just fat
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### Author:  [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/26 "2008-09-24T06:26:44Z")
so where did she give birth to this kid? if it was in a hospital they would have track of the kid being born, meaning further down the road when the kid needs to go to school, what does she tell authorities when her kid is now missing.
either way, shes a fucking scumbag, give the kid up for adoption if you dont want it you stupid fucking idiot. you should be dropped in a garbage bag and beaten with a wooden bat with nails threw it! I hope she gets the shit kicked out of her in jail!
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### Author:  [@Johnnylude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnylude)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/27 "2008-09-24T06:29:42Z")
She could have taken it to any church or hospital, dropped the kid off no questions asked and left. That would have been the intelligent/legal thing to do.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/28 "2008-09-24T06:30:13Z")
What is the big deal, she could have aborted the baby and it would have been no big deal?
(NY alone averages 300 abortions a day.)
Maybe she didn’t like the eye color.
Why keep a baby if it’s not exactly what you want?
:gotme:
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### Author:  [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/29 "2008-09-24T06:33:57Z")
> [@justa4door](#):
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> you know nothing about pregnancies… some girls will not show that much … some will not get sick … some girls will go 8 or 9 months b4 they find out…
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> you really need to look into it
>
> that girl could have lived with the rents and passed by them everyday and it could have went unnoticed
>
> im sure in this case she did nto live at home due to the dads interview on the news but still 16 year old girls are doing it
>
> there is a young girl i work with that is 8 months prego and she could hide it under a hoodie … she just looks a lil fat .if you looked at her you would not think she is that far you would think she was just fat
I guess it would be easier to hide if the girl was fat to begin with. Although I work around 3 women that are currently pregnant and it’s pretty hard not to notice it. Although you’re right everyone is different, I know not all women are affected by sickness and everything else. Regardless I don’t plan on having any kids anytime soon.
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/30 "2008-09-24T06:35:05Z")
> [@Johnnylude](#):
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> She could have taken it to any church or hospital, dropped the kid off no questions asked and left. That would have been the intelligent/legal thing to do.
she was next door…
Shockwave179- my wife is prego and she does not get sick at all … yea she is showing but only went up 10lbs… and im up 45lbs…shit right
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### Author:  [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/31 "2008-09-24T06:46:32Z")
Those who think abortion is an OKAY way to terminate a pregnancy…how is this really different?
1.) The end result is the same.
2.) The baby likely doesn’t have the mental capacity to know what happened
3.) It was the woman’s choice
4.) The woman will still live with the fact that she ended the life of her offspring
What’s the difference between this and abortion? The mother obviously going through birth is the biggest difference. Is the life any less real just because you can’t see it when it’s in the womb?
I’m just curious why some people think this is gross and inhuman… yet condone abortions.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/32 "2008-09-24T06:48:52Z")
^That was kind of my point.
What’s the diff?
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### Author:  [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/33 "2008-09-24T07:00:55Z")
I’m sure the way it was done strikes a nerve for many
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### Author:  [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/34 "2008-09-24T07:02:35Z")
i mean there is a difference but i still agree that abortions not a good thing. more or less if your raped or something along those lines, fine i guess get an abortion if you cant give it up for adoption, because it wasnt like you fucked up and had sex just for fun. but i mean if you get pregnant because you fucked up and got drunk or what ever, at least give the kid up to someone.
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### Author:  [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/35 "2008-09-24T07:02:37Z")
> [@evolve](#):
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> I’m sure the way it was done strikes a nerve for many
as opposed to stabbing a pair of scissors into base of their skull?
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### Author:  [@Clean\_Baldy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Clean_Baldy)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/36 "2008-09-24T07:04:34Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#):
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> Those who think abortion is an OKAY way to terminate a pregnancy…how is this really different?
>
> 1.) The end result is the same.
> 2.) The baby likely doesn’t have the mental capacity to know what happened
> 3.) It was the woman’s choice
> 4.) The woman will still live with the fact that she ended the life of her offspring
>
> What’s the difference between this and abortion? The mother obviously going through birth is the biggest difference. Is the life any less real just because you can’t see it when it’s in the womb?
>
> I’m just curious why some people think this is gross and inhuman… yet condone abortions.
The “Out of sight, out of mind” argument…
Just like the PETA thread mentioning animal torture to bring us hamburger meat and milk. It doesn’t bother us because we can’t see it…
I like my hamburger, so I don’t mind that stuff happening out of my view.
I am for abortion for the same ignorance. “I don’t see a baby in a crib… so, I don’t care what happens to it”
Same with death and destruction in far off places. It’s entertaining to watch a category 4 hurricane hit a city and destroy everything… only because I can turn the TV off and it didn’t really directly effect my life.
Point:
**Ignorance is bliss?**
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/37 "2008-09-24T07:06:00Z")
here we go
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### Author:  [@Clean\_Baldy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Clean_Baldy)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/38 "2008-09-24T07:06:48Z")
> [@justa4door](#):
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> here we go
Are you here for the gang bang?
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/39 "2008-09-24T07:15:02Z")
> [@Clean Baldy](#):
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> Are you here for the gang bang?
im just trying to find out how to sell breast milk
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### Author:  [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/40 "2008-09-24T07:18:04Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#):
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> What’s the difference between this and abortion? The mother obviously going through birth is the biggest difference. Is the life any less real just because you can’t see it when it’s in the womb?
>
> I’m just curious why some people think this is gross and inhuman… yet condone abortions.
Well first off this girl was dumb enough to continue with the pregnancy even though it’s quite apparent she didn’t want the baby or wasn’t ready to be a parent, which is why the baby got shoe boxed.
You shouldn’t go through with it if you’re going to do something stupid like that plain and simple. Although this girl clearly wasn’t smart enough to think about some of the other options people have outlined earlier in this thread.
I can see why people would think this is gross and inhuman yet condone abortions because typically abortions happen long before the baby is actually born in this country. It’s a lot more ethical to get an abortion early on in the pregnancy than it is to kill the baby after it’s been born. It’s reflected as irresponsible if you wait till the last second to decide you don’t want the baby or just don’t give a shit.
For the life being any less real thing, that’s a matter of personal opinion. It reminds me of the pro-life billboard trucks rolling around down here in Dallas which are a big :picard:
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