# 19 yr old leaves newborn to die in shoebox
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [September 23, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399 "2008-09-23T19:55:18Z")
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/41 "2008-09-24T07:23:27Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#):
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> …It’s a lot more ethical to get an abortion early on in the pregnancy than it is to kill the baby after it’s been born… …For the life being any less real thing, that’s a matter of personal opinion. It reminds me of the pro-life billboard trucks rolling around down here in Dallas which are a big :picard:
I laughed out loud.
What ethics are you going by?:lol:
I think both are just personal opinion.
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/42 "2008-09-24T07:26:24Z")
I know my car is here somewhere
> [@http://www.chosenfics.com/sunlightshadow/jenni\_w/adeeperblue.html](#):
>
> I drove until I came to a deserted sandy beach surrounded by rock formations and small cliffs. In the darkness, with the full moon shining down on it, it was hauntingly beautiful.
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> I left the car parked a ways away and I walked out to the beach to a place next to one of the cliffs, right near the water line. There I sat on the beach and just looked out at the water. It was black, nighttime waters as they always are in my life, and looked like someone had painted the ocean black, as if someone had just spilled a bottle of India ink over everything. There were rivulets of white coming from the moon that was bathing everything in a ghostly white, but it was mostly ebony. I shut my eyes briefly as I laid back, allowing the sand of the beach to cushion my cold preternatural body. The empty night was completely silent, save the sound of the waves lapping against the shore and the occasional bird call. There was something about being by the ocean that made everything seem smaller because no matter the size of my problems or the greatness of my errors in life, neither was a big nor as great as the ocean in front of me.
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> I laid there, looking up at the stars, and briefly a thought came that I wished Buffy was here, but I banished it. Logically, I didn’t want that; I wanted her to be happy and to be all the things she deserves to be, and to be here with me on this beach wouldn’t give her any of those things. All the same arguments I’d used when she came here, and they still hold true. It doesn’t make it any less sad, especially when I know that for a brief moment in time, I could have been the one to give her such things.
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> I turned my musings away from Buffy and back to where I was, because truly, there is no thought of Buffy that hasn’t already entered my head before. The beach reminded me, oddly enough, of Galway. Near my home, we were within walking distance of a beach much like this one. I used to go down there every day I possibly could and play on the sand or swim in Galway Bay. I don’t remember much of my childhood, because it was so long ago and those memories are usually overshadowed by other ones, but I knew I could never forget this.
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> I remember that as a boy, I loved the water. In summer, you couldn’t have kept me away from it for longer than a few days without me going stir crazy. My older brother and I used to swim out together to see who could go the farthest; the one who said we were too far out and should go back was the loser, and usually it was me that uttered this phrase. He was the stronger of the two of us, but he never bragged about it or made me feel worthless because I couldn’t keep up with him. He would always tell me, “Tomorrow. You’ll beat me tomorrow.”
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> When I was nineteen, tomorrow finally came. I’d grown out of an awkward adolescence into pretty much the same body and build that I have now and the day we went swimming together, I gave it everything, and it was my brother that day that said ‘stop, let’s go back.’ When we returned to the shore, he didn’t say anything, but the light in his eyes was enough.
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> Sitting on the beach, I watched the waves, and I rose to my feet.
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> I tossed off my shirt and pants and dove into the water. The taste of salt water immediately filled my mouth, and I’d honestly missed it. I began swimming and it immediately cleared my mind of almost all thoughts.
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> I was set in the ways of my boyhood and how I had learned to swim; I kept my head up long enough to take a breath and then put my head into the water. It was only after I’d been swimming for several minutes that I remembered, as I put one arm in front of the other in the slow, repeating stroke, that I didn’t need to breathe. In finally recalling this fact, I dove a few feet under the cool water.
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> Suddenly the entire universe was black. It was like floating in empty, negative space, completely detached from the rest of the world.
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> In the darkness of the waters, I just continued to slowly swim away from the shore. In that water, it felt like the world itself fell away and all the past was just a frozen memory. I was surrounded by the most powerful force on earth; it made my emotional pain feel almost insignificant.
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> Even with the pain in me, the world keeps spinning and the waves keep moving.
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> Sometimes, I need to remember that.
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> Surprisingly, it helps. It keeps everything in focus.
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> Finally, I felt a bit of tiring in my arms so I stopped swimming and came up to the surface. In a reflex of my youth, I turned my head to see just how far I would have to swim to get back, and I could see nothing but blackness. There was no shoreline, no lights from land. Nothing. I was surrounded by blackness, except for the sky. Up there, there was light. Above me, the stars and moon shined on, and I lifted my head and shoulders out of the water slightly and with my arms at my side, gliding slowly in the water, I floated there, just looking up at the sky. Sadly, I don’t take the time to do that anymore.
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> I forget that the stars are little suns, just like the one I’ll never see again. But those ones are visible, they are mine for the viewing. Another thing I conveniently forget when I start brooding.
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> One more thing I forget: all the pain, all the anguish…it was worth it. It was worth it to have known and loved her. It was worth it to have that one day that I alone have and she will never know. It’s not fair to her not to have it, but at least someone does and it happened, if only for me. If a memory lives on with one person, then it is never really dead and for all the pain that it causes me to think of it, I still treasure it.
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> I treasure a lot of things about that day. The feeling of actually being hungry, the taste of chocolate and peanut butter, the ability to see my reflection and to walk in the sun without the knowledge that the sunset would be my last like I knew it would be when I had the gem.
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> And her…who could forget her?
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> Well…everyone. I guess that’s the whole point.
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> I spent the last few days and nights cursing everything for taking it from us, but I’ve stopped. I know now, looking up at the sky as I float in the water, that I was lucky…luckier than I deserved to be. I had those moments, and it was more than I’d ever hoped for and maybe more than I deserved in this life. But I’d had them, and they can’t be taken from me. I don’t wonder what would have happened had I chosen the other way. There was no choice, and my heart knows that. There’s no questioning…just thoughts of what could have been, but they fill my head always anyway. I always think on what could have been, knowing full-well that it’ll never be. I’m a masochist when it comes to emotional pain, I’ll be the first to admit it.
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> But it’s hard to concentrate on emotional pain when you are floating in the sea and you feel completely free. The ocean does that to me. It gives me freedom, and in freedom, there is no past or future…just present and that’s all I wanted at the moment. No one thinks about the waves that came before or the ones that will come after; you only think about the one gently rocking you at that very moment.
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> To be liberated like that, to be able to think and to not think at the same time was a welcome feeling that I haven’t had in far too long. On those waves, floating in the water, I still loved her and I still missed her, but it just…it didn’t hurt quite so badly. Maybe the ocean is healing, and maybe it was healing me. If that is so, then I’m thankful for it, because the truth is, I could use a lot of healing in spirit and mind, considering the events of the last few years…of the last two hundred and forty four years…
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> In the water, it was like all my thoughts were healed. I didn’t think about how I had lost love; I thought about how I had at least been able to have it for that short time. I didn’t think about how I’d lost her; I thought about how I’d had her. And maybe the moment I stepped on shore these feelings and these thoughts might fade away, but to have them now was enough. They could disappear, but I will leave here knowing that for a moment on the ocean, floating in the waves, I felt my heart healing and a sense of long lost peace in my soul.
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> So there I floated, with a sense of calmness in my heart, looking up at the stars and the constellations. I even smiled to myself as I remembered the stories behind them. One was the tale of a hunter, one was the tale of a warrior, another of lovers forever kept apart by the fates. I know all about all those things, but I didn’t dwell on it. To relate to the stories made up to go along with the stars was ludicrous. I wasn’t Orion, I wasn’t any of these people or these characters. I didn’t relate…I just enjoyed them for what they were, and again, I can’t remember the last time I did that. Maybe that was the most magical part of it all; I had all the reason in the world to hurt and to suffer as I floated there, but I did not. I enjoyed things that I hadn’t in too long, and I _enjoyed_ the memories of her.
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> That’s how it should be.
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### Author:  [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/43 "2008-09-24T07:28:34Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#):
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> I laughed out loud.
> What ethics are you going by?:lol:
>
> I think both are just personal opinion.
You’re right it does depend on peoples personal opinions, although I think dumping a baby in a shoe box to die would typically be more frowned upon then terminating a fetus in the early stages of pregnancy but that’s just me.
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### Author:  [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/44 "2008-09-24T07:30:23Z")
This is why we can not have nice things!
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/45 "2008-09-24T07:36:39Z")
kinda a nice web site to read if you have nothing to do
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### Author:  [@evilsrt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/evilsrt)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/46 "2008-09-24T07:41:12Z")
Every day it amazes me how unbelievable people can be. Our penalty system should be equal for the crime committed. Eye for an eye. We should place whoever is responsible in a locked dumpster full of trash with no food and no water until they’re dead.
As for abortion, in my opinion it should be a woman’s choice. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant, she should have the option to abort. There are many complications that go along with a woman being pregnant, including death to the mother. If a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant she shouldn’t have to, especially when the pregnancy wasn’t her choice. Yes you will have some people be irresponsible and use it to get themselves out of a jam, but the same can be said for just about everything else in this country.
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/47 "2008-09-24T07:46:24Z")
ok im not going to get into it but i think you should only be able to get a set amt of abortions in your life… i have seen many claims of young girls getting them 4-7 times a year …and they are under the age of 17. thats not what its for…
im going to stop right there
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### Author:  [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/48 "2008-09-24T07:47:16Z")
> [@evilsrt](#):
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> As for abortion, in my opinion it should be a woman’s choice. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant, she should have the option to abort. There are many complications that go along with a woman being pregnant, including death to the mother. If a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant she shouldn’t have to, especially when the pregnancy wasn’t her choice.
Exactly.
According to religious retards like Sarah Palin for example IT’S STILL A GIFT FROM GOD even if the woman was raped. Which is so dumb it’s just incomprehensible.
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/49 "2008-09-24T07:56:21Z")
if raped i think you should be able to get one…
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### Author:  [@Johnnylude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnylude)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/50 "2008-09-24T08:06:38Z")
> [@Clean Baldy](#):
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> Are you here for the gang bang?
Im here for the Fiesta :spunk:
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### Author:  [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/51 "2008-09-24T08:14:56Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#):
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> Those who think abortion is an OKAY way to terminate a pregnancy…how is this really different?
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> 1.) The end result is the same.
> 2.) The baby likely doesn’t have the mental capacity to know what happened
> 3.) It was the woman’s choice
> 4.) The woman will still live with the fact that she ended the life of her offspring
>
> What’s the difference between this and abortion? The mother obviously going through birth is the biggest difference. Is the life any less real just because you can’t see it when it’s in the womb?
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> I’m just curious why some people think this is gross and inhuman… yet condone abortions.
:bigclap: AMEN!!!
Also to all the people that says it’s the womans choice,What if your GF/wife was pregnant and you guys were all happy because of it then all of a sudden she changes her mind and goes and has an abortion?Oh well,it’s her body right?
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/52 "2008-09-24T08:20:16Z")
OK, if you pass a lie detector test asking if you were raped then we are probably talking about one in eleventybillion cases of abortion.
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### Author:  [@dawn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dawn)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/53 "2008-09-24T08:30:24Z")
I want to punch Sarah Palin in the face. Repeatedly.
But, the shoebox thing. This shit happens all the time. Not saying it’s a good thing, but the baby in the garbage, the baby in the dumpster, the baby under the sink, etc.
I was just watching a program last night where these bitches were pregnant and had no idea until they started going into labor. They were like WTF how is this possible? But it is.
I guess I might be cold-hearted but I don’t give a shit about a baby in a shoebox.
And I’m 100% for abortions.
I see so many people with kids and they are like blah blah I didn’t mean to get pregnant, I didn’t plan it. And then they ship their kids off to the babysitters every single day, so they can work at their shitty job at McDonalds or something. Fuck that bullshit. That isn’t fair to the child. So, abort the fucking thing before it has a shitty life in some dirty town, and get’s knocked up at 15 like their mother.
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### Author:  [@Tevenor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tevenor)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/54 "2008-09-24T10:09:14Z")
If Palin things its a gift from god, she should take it like the other gifts from god: right in the mouth. She needs to promote swallowing as a chosen and suggested form of pregancy protection.
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### Author:  [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/55 "2008-09-24T16:02:43Z")
I hate society … and MTV …
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### Author:  [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/56 "2008-09-24T16:13:24Z")
> [@dawn](#):
>
> I want to punch Sarah Palin in the face. Repeatedly.
>
> But, the shoebox thing. This shit happens all the time. Not saying it’s a good thing, but the baby in the garbage, the baby in the dumpster, the baby under the sink, etc.
>
> I was just watching a program last night where these bitches were pregnant and had no idea until they started going into labor. They were like WTF how is this possible? But it is.
>
> I guess I might be cold-hearted but I don’t give a shit about a baby in a shoebox.
>
> And I’m 100% for abortions.
>
> I see so many people with kids and they are like blah blah I didn’t mean to get pregnant, I didn’t plan it. And then they ship their kids off to the babysitters every single day, so they can work at their shitty job at McDonalds or something. Fuck that bullshit. That isn’t fair to the child. So, abort the fucking thing before it has a shitty life in some dirty town, and get’s knocked up at 15 like their mother.
Or have the child and give it to a loving family whom can not have children asshat…
That would be the most **unselfish** devotion of love anyone could give…
but society is selfish and can not comprehend things easily.
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### Author:  [@Josh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Josh)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/57 "2008-09-24T16:16:40Z")
it’s fucked up to throw them in a dumpster after they’re born, but snipping out an unborn fetus in the early stages of pregnancy is an entirely different thing to me. maybe I’m wrong, maybe my morals are fucked, but I already knew that. seriously, the last thing this world needs is ANOTHER person. people are the reason everything is fucked right now to begin with.
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### Author:  [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/58 "2008-09-24T17:33:19Z")
> [@Josh](#):
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> it’s fucked up to throw them in a dumpster after they’re born, but snipping out an unborn fetus in the early stages of pregnancy is an entirely different thing to me…
here ya go… does it seem like less of a human?
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### Author:  [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/59 "2008-09-24T17:37:15Z")
^ if she’s old enough to bleed…
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### Author:  [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)
#### Post date: [September 24, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/19-yr-old-leaves-newborn-to-die-in-shoebox/55399/60 "2008-09-24T18:10:26Z")
^ I knew that was coming.
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