# 190 fatality, GI Tow truck operator (4/2/08)
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [April 2, 2008, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092 "2008-04-02T12:09:41Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/21 "2008-04-02T14:54:21Z")
Wow that aint right
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### Author:  [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/22 "2008-04-02T15:34:59Z")
Was a customer of the pizzeria.RIP
D
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### Author:  [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/23 "2008-04-02T15:38:41Z")
yeah, kill someone while DWI should \>10yrs. But a murder charge is not right.
When will people learn to stop driving drunk.
I admit I have before, but I learned from a mistake and now I won’t drive if I have 2 beers.
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### Author:  [@Hass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hass)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/24 "2008-04-02T23:10:42Z")
I hate drunk drivers.
I won’t even drive if I’ve recently had nyquil or something like that.
Considering I am a skinny guy and shit, and that stuff puts you to sleep a bit…
But seriously, I know better than to fuck someone elses life or my own by doing some stupid like that, and how I can’t imagine living with myself after doing that.
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### Author:  [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/25 "2008-04-02T23:31:05Z")
He towed a civic from lewiston for me last summer. He was a nice guy.
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### Author:  [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/26 "2008-04-02T23:41:48Z")
> [@sedlmeier101](#):
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> When will people learn to stop driving drunk.
> .
When the charge is heavy enough for drinking and driving.
Its a slap on the wrist now, sure it might be a 5,000$ slap on the wrist.
But its still a slap on the wrist.
as much as its screwed up.
Dwi should mean you lose your license for the minimum of a year.
then driving without a license (sorry guys) should be a minimum of a year in jail.
Fines arent enough to stop people from doing stuff.
Sucks tho, because when they do ruin someones life,
They dont pay the consequences.’
Atleast make it fair.
Say you kill a 16 yr old, on average that 16 yr old probably would have lived to atleast 60.
that 44 years they didnt get to live, so the person who did it, should get atleast 44 years.
Alot less people would drink and drive.
I speak up on this topic, because I lost some friends to it.
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### Author:  [@cky89](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cky89)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/27 "2008-04-02T23:57:59Z")
> [@Just Karter](#):
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> driving without a license (sorry guys) should be a minimum of a year in jail.
Thanks.
Dick.
Glad you don’t make the laws.
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### Author:  [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/28 "2008-04-03T00:54:54Z")
I towed for Marty’s towing. I can say that there is a good reason you have to report when your on a call, cause the drivers on the 190 usually are driving like dicks. Its what I would call a very risky job. It was fun, but I would never do it when I had a family, too many fuckers on the road.
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### Author:  [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/29 "2008-04-03T04:38:10Z")
not to try and justify the actions of the drunk driver. but he only blew a .09 which a few years ago wouldnt have even been a DWI. i think there is more to this than just a guy too impaired to drive.
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### Author:  [@j\_espo1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/j_espo1)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/30 "2008-04-03T04:44:47Z")
> [@Geoff](#):
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> WTF are you doing driving drunk at 5AM as a 64 year old?!??!
driving home from the Casino is what he was doing.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/31 "2008-04-03T05:27:59Z")
> [@d3x](#):
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> not to try and justify the actions of the drunk driver. but he only blew a .09 which a few years ago wouldnt have even been a DWI. i think there is more to this than just a guy too impaired to drive.
Yeah, that’s why I brought up the depraved indifference thing for cases when people are way over the limit. It’s unfortunate MADD has become such a corrupt organization and combined with the insurance industry pushed through .08. The people causing the majority of DWI crashes, the ones where drinking is really to blame, are the ones in the .15 and up range.
It’s like the guy that killed those kids on Transit a couple years ago, not long after they lowered it to .08. He blew a .08 and was facing some serious charges despite the fact that the kids were trying to cross six lanes of traffic, at night, nowhere near a crosswalk or light. Luckily the justice system worked and took into account his .08 was a very minor contributor considering the other horrible choices made that night.
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### Author:  [@SVT3945](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SVT3945)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/32 "2008-04-03T05:31:19Z")
> [@d3x](#):
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> not to try and justify the actions of the drunk driver. but he only blew a .09 which a few years ago wouldnt have even been a DWI. i think there is more to this than just a guy too impaired to drive.
explain that to the family of the tow truck driver, even then the laws werent strong enough to stop alot of people back then. I dont usually side with karter but in this case i have to, even tho I think his jail time is a bit extream. The reason I agree is because I have had 1 DUI and 1DWI both within 18 months. Luckly I did not hurt or kill anyone. As a result my license was revolked but I still drove until I got caught by Nathan in NT. As a result I was sentenced to 90 days in jail, since then I have not gotten behind the wheel at all while drinking. It took me 5yrs to get my license back !!!
My point is that people including myself are stupid sometimes and dont learn their lesson until its to late in some cases.
I am a firm believer in manditory maximums for alot of things, this being one of them. There is to much grey area in regards to the courts and punishment. It should be “you blew this you get this amount of time or x amount of fines”.
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### Author:  [@SVT3945](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SVT3945)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/33 "2008-04-03T05:35:31Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> It’s like the guy that killed those kids on Transit a couple years ago, not long after they lowered it to .08. He blew a .08 and was facing some serious charges despite the fact that the kids were trying to cross six lanes of traffic, at night, nowhere near a crosswalk or light. Luckily the justice system worked and took into account his .08 was a very minor contributor considering the other horrible choices made that night.
Do you know that the law states that you are responsible for the control of your car at all times regardless of the situation??
That being said I do not agree with your statement above.
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### Author:  [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/34 "2008-04-03T05:42:04Z")
> [@SVT3945](#):
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> Do you know that the law states that you are responsible for the control of your car at all times regardless of the situation??
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> That being said I do not agree with your statement above.
eh. I’m torn. There are situations where no degree of “control” can avert tragedy.
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### Author:  [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/35 "2008-04-03T05:45:41Z")
> [@SVT3945](#):
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> explain that to the family of the tow truck driver, even then the laws werent strong enough to stop alot of people back then. I dont usually side with karter but in this case i have to, even tho I think his jail time is a bit extream. The reason I agree is because I have had 1 DUI and 1DWI both within 18 months. Luckly I did not hurt or kill anyone. As a result my license was revolked but I still drove until I got caught by Nathan in NT. As a result I was sentenced to 90 days in jail, since then I have not gotten behind the wheel at all while drinking. It took me 5yrs to get my license back !!!
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> My point is that people including myself are stupid sometimes and dont learn their lesson until its to late in some cases.
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> I am a firm believer in manditory maximums for alot of things, this being one of them. There is to much grey area in regards to the courts and punishment. It should be “you blew this you get this amount of time or x amount of fines”.
im not debating that this is a tragic situation for both families involved. all im saying is maybe alcohol didnt play a role at all in this accident. and rather than instantly passing judgement on this guy based on a biased article. it is possible that this is nothing more than just an accident.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/36 "2008-04-03T06:00:22Z")
> [@SVT3945](#):
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> Do you know that the law states that you are responsible for the control of your car at all times regardless of the situation??
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> That being said I do not agree with your statement above.
Do you know the details of this crash? Was the tow truck in the right lane? Was it clearly visible? Did it have the proper flashers going? Flares out? Was this on a curve?
The fact is we don’t know the details. The crash I did know the details about was the one on Transit which is why I used it as my arguement against stupidly low BAC limits being tied to heavy mandatory sentences.
If you’re going to make .08 murder you better look at all the other things that take away a driver’s ability to be in 100% control of the car. Cell phone conversations (hands free or not), conversations with passengers, reading a nav system, changing CD’s, scanning radio stations, eating, drinking, smoking and keeping an eye on an infant to name a few.
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### Author:  [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/37 "2008-04-03T07:33:58Z")
next up on bad timing for advertisments…
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### Author:  [@SVT3945](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SVT3945)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/38 "2008-04-03T09:06:57Z")
> [@newman](#):
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> eh. I’m torn. There are situations where no degree of “control” can avert tragedy.
1 in a million maybe.
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### Author:  [@SVT3945](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SVT3945)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/39 "2008-04-03T09:09:45Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> Do you know the details of this crash? Was the tow truck in the right lane? Was it clearly visible? Did it have the proper flashers going? Flares out? Was this on a curve?
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> The fact is we don’t know the details. The crash I did know the details about was the one on Transit which is why I used it as my arguement against stupidly low BAC limits being tied to heavy mandatory sentences.
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> If you’re going to make .08 murder you better look at all the other things that take away a driver’s ability to be in 100% control of the car. Cell phone conversations (hands free or not), conversations with passengers, reading a nav system, changing CD’s, scanning radio stations, eating, drinking, smoking and keeping an eye on an infant to name a few.
I understand what your saying. But the things you are using to make a comparision are really kind of different. I can multitask with the best of them but throw a .08 on top of that and things change a little.
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### Author:  [@BIGHANDS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BIGHANDS)
#### Post date: [April 3, 2008, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/190-fatality-gi-tow-truck-operator-4-2-08/46092/40 "2008-04-03T09:17:16Z")
whell this happen to be one of my best friends terrilble loss left behind a 5 yr old son and his girlfriend
i just got of the phone with his father he couldn even talk im serioussly sick to my stomach
for anyone that may have known him the
funeral will be fri 2-4 7-9 amigone main mear harris hill sat service time tba
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