# 1990'S JAP CARS VS 2000'S JAP CARS **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 3, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161 "2008-06-03T22:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/101 "2008-06-05T08:47:32Z")
> [@BENNYFIZZLE](#): > > mid 90s german cars\>90s jdm. > > truth. only 90s german cars that had Anything going for them compared to the 90s japanese muscle were the Porsche turbo cars. mercedes didnt have much then, the 190E 2.3 Cosworth, again track car, only country in competition then with the japanese cars were the italians with the f40s and f50s, and the diablos from lamborghini( as far as what was available in america, audi RS2 never came here, doesnt count) you could argue the RUF cars but they were very limited… the E30 on the track compared to them yes, but 1 out of 10people on shift do any sanctioned road racing so its about straight line performance in this thread. japan dominated the performance car market then, and are doing a great job still today\>// from the german guy with german car( and a toyota for reliability and daily drivability :ninja) ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/102 "2008-06-05T08:51:15Z")
> [@OsoiNA6](#): > > Aside from better pricing, the use of more advanced technology, improved reliability, and superior power output, there isn’t much I would say… :lol ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/103 "2008-06-05T10:15:26Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > It’s a 90s station wagon. It matches up against the woodie. :nono its an RS2, its a bad ass car. whats wrong with using one of those as an example ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/104 "2008-06-05T10:27:55Z")
> [@votblindub](#): > > its an RS2, its a bad ass car. whats wrong with using one of those as an example It’s a station wagon…? ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/105 "2008-06-05T10:31:13Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > It’s a station wagon…? avant, but its badass. its the predecessor to the RS4, RS6 series cars out now. They used that platform for rally as well. Its a kick ass car, who cares if its a wagon. STI wagons and EVO wagons still haul ass. ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/106 "2008-06-05T10:33:51Z")
> [@votblindub](#): > > EVO wagons still haul ass. Pretty sure they were never made… ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/107 "2008-06-05T10:34:44Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > Pretty sure they were never made… Or faster than you think? :confused Either way, cool car is opinion but weird comparison is near fact. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@silverandslow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/108 "2008-06-05T10:50:00Z")
Its NOT a DSM ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/109 "2008-06-05T11:16:06Z")
> [@silverandslow](#): > > Its NOT a DSM I think Vlad put that in. 🙂 Someone called the 3S a DSM. ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/110 "2008-06-05T11:56:31Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > Pretty sure they were never made… [http://yp.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/F4E1D208A306ED6DCA25707A001928E7?OpenDocument](http://yp.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/F4E1D208A306ED6DCA25707A001928E7?OpenDocument) ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/111 "2008-06-05T11:57:53Z")
have you ever seen one? has any one on the board ever seen one? a concept sitting at auto doesn’t count ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/112 "2008-06-05T11:58:35Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > I think Vlad put that in. 🙂 > > Someone called the 3S a DSM. some ppl say that 3000gt and EVOs are accepted as DSM’s, other totally deny. Thats a debate that doesnt seem to go away. ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/113 "2008-06-05T11:59:31Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > have you ever seen one? > > has any one on the board ever seen one? > > a concept sitting at auto doesn’t count thats a production vehicle. the 2 door evo wasnt a production car, but theres a few knockin around ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/114 "2008-06-05T12:00:50Z")
> [@votblindub](#): > > thats a production vehicle. the 2 door evo wasnt a production car, but theres a few knockin around edit: I give up ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/115 "2008-06-05T12:03:04Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > yeah… in japan only!!! :🙂 correct. we didnt get the STI wagon here either. its no fair, damnit! i actually wanted to get one when i found out that Mitsubishi has the wagon version, but then i read that its not comin here and i got upset. ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/116 "2008-06-05T12:04:40Z")
i didnt know if were doing US released vehicles only. i figured if it a production car, its a go ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/117 "2008-06-05T12:07:23Z")
> [@votblindub](#): > > i didnt know if were doing US released vehicles only. i figured if it a production car, its a go I don’t think we were really… not sure maybe I’m bitter since thats the ugliest evo I’ve ever seen and rather it get forgotten about real quick. ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/118 "2008-06-05T12:11:10Z")
> [@votblindub](#): > > some ppl say that 3000gt and EVOs are accepted as DSM’s, other totally deny. Thats a debate that doesnt seem to go away. “DSMs” relates to a specific facility where chrysler and mitsu joined forces to build cars. “Initially, three models were produced at this facility. The **Mitsubishi Eclipse** , **Plymouth Laser** and **Eagle Talon** were smaller 2+2 sports cars on a new co-designed platform. Models subsequently produced during the next decade included the **Mitsubishi Mirage/Eagle Summit** , the **Mitsubishi Galant** , the **Dodge Avenger/Chrysler Sebring** , and the **Dodge Stratus**.” > **[Diamond-Star Motors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond-Star_Motors#Production.2C_1988.E2.80.932005)** > > Diamond-Star Motors (DSM) was an automobile-manufacturing joint venture between the Chrysler Corporation and Mitsubishi Motors Corporation (MMC). The name came from the parent companies' respective logos: three diamonds (Mitsubishi) and a pentastar (Chrysler). Diamond-Star Motors was officially renamed Mitsubishi Motor Manufacturing of America, Inc. (MMMA) in 1995, four years after Mitsubishi took sole control of the plant, and from 2002 to 2016 its official name had been Mitsubishi Motors In th... 3gt and EVOs are NOT DSMs. My shit was made in Japan! ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/119 "2008-06-05T12:12:18Z")
yea, i know. i dont think that evos and 3kgts are DSM, but ive talked to some ppl that just insist on it. ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2008, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161/120 "2008-06-05T12:13:05Z")
so, guys are we comparing cars ONLY made for the US market or do ones for Japan only count as well? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1990s-jap-cars-vs-2000s-jap-cars/237161.md?page=7)