# 1998 eclipse gsx automatic upgrade path **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [June 28, 2007, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825 "2007-06-28T12:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Blinden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Blinden](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blinden)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/21 "2007-07-02T13:27:36Z")
ohh wait, I get it, this is one of those “if your opinion isn’t my opinion, I don’t want to hear it” scenarios. Must be, it’s not like I talked down on anyone at any point, but I get flamed for my opinion. One person asks what I’m talking about, then the next person complains about me telling them. ---
**Author:** ![stinkbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@stinkbox](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/stinkbox)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/22 "2007-07-02T13:28:37Z")
the stock auto tranny will not like much more than the factory torque output. i have personally never seen any one try to hook up an auto dsm, besides the first major mod which is convert it to a 5 speed. those trannies suck stock too though haha. awd is hard on trannies regardless. 500 hp daily driven dsm is a crazy, 300-350 whp dsm is fun as hell and puts in the 12’s. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Jenn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jenn)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/23 "2007-07-02T13:35:38Z")
💤 :nuts: ---
**Author:** ![stinkbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@stinkbox](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/stinkbox)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/24 "2007-07-02T13:36:27Z")
> [@Bank of America](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bank-of-america/31091/10): > > is that an auto that ran 13’s? I thought these cars loved to go fast and 12’s would be easily doable, even my cobalt is capable of mid 13’s with front wheel drive, i though for sure an all wheel drive stock turboed car would crush me… you have to remember these cars run low 15s stock and your a supercharged ss runs low 14’s stock. also since they are awd they get lower trap speeds and higher et’s do to their 60’s from no spinning tham a front wheel drive car of the same performance level ---
**Author:** ![berad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/berad/32/5953_2.png) [@berad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/berad)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/25 "2007-07-02T14:45:30Z")
> [@So I realize that school is out...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-i-realize-that-school-is-out/31122/13): > > OP says he wants 500hp DD. > > I say that’s not going to be easy or cheap > > brokeasskorean starts talking “something something wrx” > > I say that whatever he is going on about is irrelevant because we aren’t talking about any wrx and I don’t know why he brought it up. Perhaps his point was that this eclipse is a better car then mine, but, if that’s what he’s getting at, I don’t understand because I never claimed to want to make my car an 500hp car. OG \> n00b plus what kind of experience do you have with dsm 4’s? The rex boxer is a totally different motor. I guess he should run out and buy an sti if he wants 500hp, although getting that much out of an auto dsm is quite :greddy as well. ---
**Author:** ![berad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/berad/32/5953_2.png) [@berad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/berad)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/26 "2007-07-02T14:46:52Z")
> [@So I realize that school is out...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-i-realize-that-school-is-out/31122/13): > > OP says he wants 500hp DD. > > I say that’s not going to be easy or cheap > > brokeasskorean starts talking “something something wrx” > > I say that whatever he is going on about is irrelevant because we aren’t talking about any wrx and I don’t know why he brought it up. Perhaps his point was that this eclipse is a better car then mine, but, if that’s what he’s getting at, I don’t understand because I never claimed to want to make my car an 500hp car. > [@So I realize that school is out...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-i-realize-that-school-is-out/31122/15): > > ohh wait, I get it, this is one of those “if your opinion isn’t my opinion, I don’t want to hear it” scenarios. > > Must be, it’s not like I talked down on anyone at any point, but I get flamed for my opinion. One person asks what I’m talking about, then the next person complains about me telling them. OG \> n00b plus what kind of experience do you have with dsm 4’s? The rex boxer is a totally different motor. I guess he should run out and buy an sti if he wants 500hp, although getting that much out of an auto dsm is quite :greddy as well. ---
**Author:** ![ssdragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ab097/32.png) [@ssdragon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ssdragon)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/27 "2007-07-02T15:00:36Z")
> [@Entourage](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/entourage/31124/3): > > you have to remember these cars run low 15s stock and your a supercharged ss runs low 14’s stock. also since they are awd they get lower trap speeds and higher et’s do to their 60’s from no spinning tham a front wheel drive car of the same performance level My car isnt supercharged… I have the 2.4 vvt ecotec with a garrett turbo and automatic ---
**Author:** ![Blinden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Blinden](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blinden)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/28 "2007-07-02T20:22:17Z")
> [@jet ski buildup thread with pics (now with completed pix)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jet-ski-buildup-thread-with-pics-now-with-completed-pix/15724/22): > > OG \> n00b > > plus what kind of experience do you have with dsm 4’s? The rex boxer is a totally different motor. I guess he should run out and buy an sti if he wants 500hp, although getting that much out of an auto dsm is quite :greddy as well. I am not quite sure how this became about me or my car. I never mentioned my car or said anything about me running 500hp. I know that these DSM’s are mod friendly, but also seem to be a bit fragile for a 500hp DD. The funny thing is that everyone seems to agree this is a pretty lofty and expensive goal, but I keep getting attacked. ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/29 "2007-07-02T20:36:45Z")
i like STi’s ---
**Author:** ![T34418L31](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@T34418L31](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T34418L31)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/30 "2007-07-02T21:48:08Z")
> [@Civic \> Riced Eclipse GT](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/civic-riced-eclipse-gt/31126/4): > > I know that these DSM’s are mod friendly, but also seem to be a bit fragile for a 500hp DD. The funny thing is that everyone seems to agree this is a pretty lofty and expensive goal, but I keep getting attacked. I agree. My car was probably in the area of ~530 at the crank, on 93 octane gas and a stock bottom end car with cams and probably every bolt on. Other people have dyno’d 500+whp on pump gas, but as you said, it becomes expensive. I feel as though on my setup, I maximized my use of airflow pretty well. If I wanted any more on pump gas, I would’ve had to change some internals around. This was all put through a 5-speed though, and you’re going to see more drivetrain losses through that auto. Is it doable? Absolutely. But as I said earlier, I hope he has deep pockets. I think a more reasonable option would be : -build the auto tranny -buy the flavor of the week 50 trim -get a 6-bolt block if you ever develop any problems with the current motor -make around 350 on pump gas hopefully, and enjoy a low 12 second car. Just my .02 though. Jesse ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/31 "2007-07-03T06:24:25Z")
> [@Bleeding?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bleeding/31075/5): > > I would think that a reasonable upgrade path to a 500hp car would not include step one: buying an eclipse… Turning a 10 year old 180 hp car into a 500hp car isn’t going to be easy/cheap/fun. Especially with the ‘daily driver’ aspect. What is a reasonable path? Buy a new Z06 or Viper? ---
**Author:** ![ssdragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ab097/32.png) [@ssdragon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ssdragon)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/32 "2007-07-03T08:31:43Z")
> [@My 2007 USGP Photos](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-2007-usgp-photos/31102/17): > > I agree. > > My car was probably in the area of ~530 at the crank, on 93 octane gas and a stock bottom end car with cams and probably every bolt on. Other people have dyno’d 500+whp on pump gas, but as you said, it becomes expensive. I feel as though on my setup, I maximized my use of airflow pretty well. If I wanted any more on pump gas, I would’ve had to change some internals around. This was all put through a 5-speed though, and you’re going to see more drivetrain losses through that auto. > > Is it doable? Absolutely. But as I said earlier, I hope he has deep pockets. > > I think a more reasonable option would be : > > -build the auto tranny > -buy the flavor of the week 50 trim > -get a 6-bolt block if you ever develop any problems with the current motor > -make around 350 on pump gas hopefully, and enjoy a low 12 second car. > > Just my .02 though. > > Jesse well, he bought the car last night. 1997 Red gsx automatic with only 50,000 miles on it so for like $7000. Lokks real clean for its age. If it only takes 350hp to get into the 12’s then im sure that would be fine. I thought it would take more power to get to low 12’s. ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/33 "2007-07-03T08:40:21Z")
> [@Bleeding?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bleeding/31075/5): > > I would think that a reasonable upgrade path to a 500hp car would not include step one: buying an eclipse… Turning a 10 year old 180 hp car into a 500hp car isn’t going to be easy/cheap/fun. Especially with the ‘daily driver’ aspect. Ha, cheaper and easier than making your couple year old car do it. But I agree on the DD. ---
**Author:** ![fmfkid250](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fmfkid250/32/5973_2.png) [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/34 "2007-07-03T09:23:51Z")
i love how 500hp gets thrown around lol just 500 thats it?.. do any of you know how 500hp,400 or even 300 responds on the street? ---
**Author:** ![fmfkid250](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fmfkid250/32/5973_2.png) [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/35 "2007-07-03T09:24:57Z")
> [@454whp & 458 ft/lbs 2AZFE Inside](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/454whp-458-ft-lbs-2azfe-inside/31055/9): > > People throw around numbers so carelessly. 500awhp daily? like its no big thang ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/36 "2007-07-03T10:00:13Z")
> [@Modded-Volkswagen Kids Suck](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/modded-volkswagen-kids-suck/30874/80): > > i love how 500hp gets thrown around lol just 500 thats it?.. > do any of you know how 500hp,400 or even 300 responds on the street? yeah it doesnt respond. the tires spin and you go absolutely nowhere ---
**Author:** ![Blinden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Blinden](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blinden)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/37 "2007-07-03T10:02:54Z")
> [@T70\_Tsi"](#): > > Ha, cheaper and easier than making your couple year old car do it. But I agree on the DD. Is this serious or what, I never EVER said anything about my car doing 500 hp. All I said is that a 10yo daily driver on 500 hp is NOT goign to be easy/reliable/cheap. > or even 300 responds on the street? Yes, every day. It’s irrelvant at this point, he obviously didn’t mean 500hp. Good luck with the car. ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/38 "2007-07-03T10:04:31Z")
but all in all. 500 ftw ---
**Author:** ![T70\_Tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/39 "2007-07-03T10:05:36Z")
> [@i need my car wetsanded and buffed..?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-need-my-car-wetsanded-and-buffed/31047/26): > > like its no big thang It took me a min to realize who you were on friday and by then i didnt’ know where you went…i dont’ htink you had as much hair the last time i saw you lol. but yeah, it’s a handful drivin that on the street but with the non-bb it doesn’t come in as hard and those tires are surprisingly stickly. ---
**Author:** ![GreekPower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9fc29f/32.png) [@GreekPower](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GreekPower)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825/40 "2007-07-03T10:16:47Z")
[http://www.dsmtuners.com/tech.php](http://www.dsmtuners.com/tech.php) that should help him. Either way for a auto gsx mods for me would be instantly bigger turbo/fuel/FMIC then intake, wideband and a ems ( i dont like piggy backs) that should put him into 11’s if he picks a big enough turbo then hes gotta work on the tranny. which I would let IPT handle. and call it a day. I know a friend of mine hit high tens for just over 3500 bucks and it was auto. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/1998-eclipse-gsx-automatic-upgrade-path/190825.md?page=3)