# 2.3 to 5.0 swap **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [July 10, 2006, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349 "2006-07-10T07:45:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ando](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@ando](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ando)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/1 "2006-07-10T07:45:00Z")
looking to yet again do the 5.0 swap into my 90 vert…looking for suggestions,help,a motor…etc. ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/2 "2006-07-10T08:12:13Z")
why swap? why not build up and turbo a 2.3? you would spend about the same amount and be faster ---
**Author:** ![ly555is](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3bc359/32.png) [@ly555is](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ly555is)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/3 "2006-07-10T08:22:28Z")
> [@focusinprogress](#): > > why swap? why not build up and turbo a 2.3? you would spend about the same amount and be faster damn nick, it’s scary how much you know compared to about this time last year :eek: ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/4 "2006-07-10T08:29:31Z")
thanks joel, i did learn alot lol. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/5 "2006-07-10T08:35:43Z")
> [@focusinprogress](#): > > why swap? why not build up and turbo a 2.3? you would spend about the same amount and be faster 1. Torque 2. Torque 3. Torque You would probably spend more money on turbo components and making the 2.3 stronger ---
**Author:** ![Muscle50](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bcef8e/32.png) [@Muscle50](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Muscle50)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/6 "2006-07-10T08:39:28Z")
Call BDR5OH, I’m sure he has everything you need…CHEAP 465-2820 his name is Derrick ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/7 "2006-07-10T08:40:48Z")
stupid question prolly. what kinda car are we talking about here? ---
**Author:** ![bamfer9duce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@bamfer9duce](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bamfer9duce)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/8 "2006-07-10T08:49:29Z")
I would assume it’s a Fox body Mustang ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/9 "2006-07-10T08:52:19Z")
if he wants to weight the possibilities he should PM nikuk ---
**Author:** ![ando](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@ando](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ando)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/10 "2006-07-10T08:57:16Z")
its a 1990 4cyl convertible…i didnt want to do the turbo cause there 150k on the motor,i figured a 5.0 swap wouldnt be to hard,the body is so clean i dont feel like buying a 5.0 vert…it was a free car to me, might as well do something with it ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/11 "2006-07-10T09:05:42Z")
yeah i would think that a 5.0 swap would be very straight forward ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/12 "2006-07-10T11:24:34Z")
Real quick: what do You want out of the car? 2.3T foxes run low 12’s on stock longblock, stock turbo, and ~$1k in mods. ALL DAY. Add in a $400 Holset turbo & a 75 wet shot and You run mid 11’s. ALL DAY. Besides, turbo 5spd cars are fun to drive. Oh, BTW, I average 20-22mpg. It will take you LESS THEN 6 HOURS to do a full swap and streetable. Ask PsychoPJV, he’s seen me swap a 23T a few times now. Per [car-parts.com](http://car-parts.com) there are 6 turbo motors within ~100 miles. expect to pay $300-500 for a longblock. Turbomotors are OEM equipped with forged rod & piston as well as hardened valves. If You can’t or dont want to get a turbo motor, You _can_ convert an NA block. _Not really advisable_ for cost reasons. But, You’ll need these turbo motor parts anyhow: Turbo rotating assembly (rod & piston really) ($30-75) Head ($70 - 150) Exhaust manifold & turbo ($50 - $300) 30 - 35lb injectors ($20 - 40 for a set). Oil feed block & line ($20-50) Oil return line from turbo to block ($20-50) You need to TAP an oil return into the pan ($5 - 50) ECU ($20-100) Vane Air Meter ($20-100) It’s seriously easier & better to just swap a full motor for $300. I bought my 23T donor for $300 motor, ecu, and all. Dont be scared of the ECU swap, it is LITERALLY 5 WIRES to change/splice/pin. No need to replace a wiring harness, no need to change motor mounts, tranny xmembers, fuel lines, and all the other BS associated with 5.0 swaps. Don’t get me wrong, 5.0’s a are sexy and fun. But a 2.3 motor is literally stronger (iron content & casting) and easier to maintain. Parts are everywhere. Oh, and as far as not having torque… LOL JnJ. A couple of real quick examples: A STOCK 220,000 mile shortblock, stock head, with bolt-on header, 3" exh, fmic, holset, and ECU tune: [http://www.stinger-performance.com/bolton.html](http://www.stinger-performance.com/bolton.html) running > **Update 7-6-2006:Playing around on his local 1/8th mile track, Matt ran a best ever 7.19 sec @ 99.20 mph bouncing off the rev limiter about 70 feet before the lights. That converts to a 11.20 @ 122 mph on a 1/4 mile track. These runs were made without the new clutch installed (clutch is still slipping). The only change was the addition of a 2 step to launch harder and an additional 25hp of nitrous. It did run 7.29 @ 97.25 without the additional nitrous. I have a feeling a 10 second run is very close. > ^^ This project “bolt-on” was JUST thrown together for the WFC champsionships a few weeks ago. Not bad for a VERY mildly modded fox chassis and drop in 4cyl swap.** > **a few vid’s [http://www.stinger-performance.com/videos.html](http://www.stinger-performance.com/videos.html)** there are quite a few 10sec 23Ts and a scant few 9 second guys too. It’s VERY easy to run low 12’s in a 2.3T fox. After all of that being said, if You want to go 5.0, get in touch with BDR5OH. ---
**Author:** ![ando](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@ando](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ando)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/13 "2006-07-10T11:45:30Z")
so where do i get a 23t motor…and my fox bod is an auto:hang: i need a tranny too ---
**Author:** ![Muscle50](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bcef8e/32.png) [@Muscle50](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Muscle50)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/14 "2006-07-10T12:01:01Z")
This car wouldn’t happen to be red and sitting in the back of Mercedes Benz would it? ---
**Author:** ![AfXtc777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@AfXtc777](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AfXtc777)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/15 "2006-07-10T12:07:01Z")
Per [car-parts.com](http://car-parts.com) there are 6 turbo motors within ~100 miles. expect to pay $300-500 for a longblock ---
**Author:** ![turbo\_ls1\_ss](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_ls1_ss/32/7303_2.png) [@turbo\_ls1\_ss](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbo_ls1_ss)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/16 "2006-07-10T12:36:22Z")
5.0 parts are stupid cheap. itd be dumb to turbo the small motor, and u could prolly turbo the 5.0 cheaper than turbo the 2.3 after motor costs etc. 351 with a lotalota squirt ---
**Author:** ![jkucz28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jkucz28/32/7503_2.png) [@jkucz28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jkucz28)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/17 "2006-07-10T14:40:58Z")
i know someone selling a whole car i forgot what year but its the 2.3t car is really clean hard top 5 spd mustang svo i thin its an 87 not sure though pm me for details. Older guy only owns ford has ass loads of money never beat on ---
**Author:** ![ly555is](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3bc359/32.png) [@ly555is](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ly555is)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/18 "2006-07-10T14:42:32Z")
86 was the last yr of the SVO hrm… they’re cool, but rare as shit - less than 7K made, total EDIT: those intercoolers suck huge ass anyways, eff that 🙂 ‘let’s have it mounted alongside the motor, right above the god damn exhaust manifold, that’d be a good plan to cool down the incoming air!’ ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/19 "2006-07-10T14:45:37Z")
theres a thunderbird 2.3T sitting at m&m u pull it, complete, biggest prob i could see was that teh IC was at one point pulled off, and is currently just sitting there sorta 1/2 in place ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2006, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349/20 "2006-07-10T15:13:10Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > Real quick: > > what do You want out of the car? > > 2.3T foxes run low 12’s on stock longblock, stock turbo, and ~$1k in mods. ALL DAY. Add in a $400 Holset turbo & a 75 wet shot and You run mid 11’s. ALL DAY. Besides, turbo 5spd cars are fun to drive. Oh, BTW, I average 20-22mpg. > > It will take you LESS THEN 6 HOURS to do a full swap and streetable. Ask PsychoPJV, he’s seen me swap a 23T a few times now. > > Per [car-parts.com](http://car-parts.com) there are 6 turbo motors within ~100 miles. expect to pay $300-500 for a longblock. Turbomotors are OEM equipped with forged rod & piston as well as hardened valves. > > If You can’t or dont want to get a turbo motor, You _can_ convert an NA block. _Not really advisable_ for cost reasons. But, You’ll need these turbo motor parts anyhow: > Turbo rotating assembly (rod & piston really) ($30-75) > Head ($70 - 150) > Exhaust manifold & turbo ($50 - $300) > 30 - 35lb injectors ($20 - 40 for a set). > Oil feed block & line ($20-50) > Oil return line from turbo to block ($20-50) > You need to TAP an oil return into the pan ($5 - 50) > ECU ($20-100) > Vane Air Meter ($20-100) > > It’s seriously easier & better to just swap a full motor for $300. I bought my 23T donor for $300 motor, ecu, and all. Dont be scared of the ECU swap, it is LITERALLY 5 WIRES to change/splice/pin. > > No need to replace a wiring harness, no need to change motor mounts, tranny xmembers, fuel lines, and all the other BS associated with 5.0 swaps. Don’t get me wrong, 5.0’s a are sexy and fun. But a 2.3 motor is literally stronger (iron content & casting) and easier to maintain. Parts are everywhere. > > Oh, and as far as not having torque… LOL JnJ. > > A couple of real quick examples: > A STOCK 220,000 mile shortblock, stock head, with bolt-on header, 3" exh, fmic, holset, and ECU tune: [http://www.stinger-performance.com/bolton.html](http://www.stinger-performance.com/bolton.html) running [/color]^^ This project “bolt-on” was JUST thrown together for the WFC champsionships a few weeks ago. Not bad for a VERY mildly modded fox chassis and drop in 4cyl swap.[/size][/font][/b] > **a few vid’s [http://www.stinger-performance.com/videos.html](http://www.stinger-performance.com/videos.html)** > > there are quite a few 10sec 23Ts and a scant few 9 second guys too. It’s VERY easy to run low 12’s in a 2.3T fox. > > After all of that being said, if You want to go 5.0, get in touch with BDR5OH. ^^knew you would come through with teh nowledg [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2-3-to-5-0-swap/14349.md?page=2)