# 2009 Formula 1 Season discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 19, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576 "2009-01-19T12:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/1 "2009-01-19T12:07:53Z")
I’m not going to go into explaining the new rules, if you comment on the looks and haven’t read them you need to stfu. That being said, most of them look like shit (except the Williams and the initial testing shots of the BMW), but I don’t care as initial tests say there is virtually no front aero loss when following now. I also find Ferrari’s playing with the side aero bit rules amusing (their mirrors mounted to the barge board are CLEARLY an aerodynamic device) ![http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/l337x3r1cx/mutynrtbfes.jpg](http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/l337x3r1cx/mutynrtbfes.jpg) ![http://img2.vpx.pl/up/20090115/tf109.jpg](http://img2.vpx.pl/up/20090115/tf109.jpg) ![http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1555175/0160096555085.jpg](http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1555175/0160096555085.jpg) ![http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9253/defaultxt5.jpg](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9253/defaultxt5.jpg) (BMW release is tomorrow IIRC) ![http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/l337x3r1cx/qzkupu3w1.jpg](http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/l337x3r1cx/qzkupu3w1.jpg) ![http://images.gpupdate.net/large/117133.jpg](http://images.gpupdate.net/large/117133.jpg) ![http://msp249.photobucket.com/albums/gg227/lisa0116/ronald_mcdonald_jumping.jpg](http://msp249.photobucket.com/albums/gg227/lisa0116/ronald_mcdonald_jumping.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/2 "2009-01-19T12:11:31Z")
Ferrari looks great (trying to ignore the rear wing…which I’ll get used to). Toyota looks like shit. Luckily we won’t see it except for when they end up in the tire walls or when they’re being lapped. Williams is definitely hot. I have high hopes for BMW as well. Should be a fun season. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/3 "2009-01-19T12:12:37Z")
I’m surprised you like the Ferrari, especially in the view with Massa and Kimi standing behind it, the front nose looks SOOO long. Like a praying mantis about to eat her young. I literally think Toyota’s car is the '08 car with all the aero taken off and the spec '09 front and rear wings. ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/4 "2009-01-19T12:17:03Z")
What sold me on the Ferrari was this photo. So sleek…great lines. I can deal with the big jew nose 😛 ![http://images.gpupdate.net/large/116942.jpg](http://images.gpupdate.net/large/116942.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/5 "2009-01-19T12:18:14Z")
I like the amount of negative toe in the rear, and the amount of positive in the front. Hilarious, I know the '08 car didnt have that much, really must be struggling for grip and turn in with the new aero rules. ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/6 "2009-01-19T12:23:24Z")
Maybe all the rear roe-in will keep Kimi from spinning in the rain… ---
**Author:** ![Coldaccord](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/coldaccord/32/7272_2.png) [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/7 "2009-01-19T12:44:36Z")
i was half expecting to open this thread and see a red x ---
**Author:** ![Helios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@Helios](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Helios)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/8 "2009-01-19T13:02:54Z")
MPD, do you have the link to the new rules? ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/9 "2009-01-19T14:21:01Z")
Uhg part of the cars look good, and then other parts make me wanna :barf: The toyota is probably the least radical looking, will probably be the slowest too. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/10 "2009-01-19T15:22:10Z")
[http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldChampionship.aspx](http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldChampionship.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/11 "2009-01-19T15:23:58Z")
I say it every year, maybe this year, I’ll actually get into watching this. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/12 "2009-01-19T15:28:17Z")
> [@brent\_strong](#): > > What sold me on the Ferrari was this photo. So sleek…great lines. I can deal with the big jew nose 😛 ![http://img.skysports.com/09/01/800x600/Felipe-Massa-Kimi-Ferrari-New-Car-F1_1769633.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/d/0/d0369d05b703906949108f0c47a6c4af854340f7.jpeg) There is the image I was refering to, look how awkward it looks from the sidepods forward. It appears as though someone photoshopped extra room in for the Ferrari shield on the side. ---
**Author:** ![dmoffitt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dmoffitt/32/7455_2.png) [@dmoffitt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dmoffitt)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/13 "2009-01-19T16:57:34Z")
I know you’ll hate me for it but I like how the livery works w/ the shape of the new McLaren. REALLY like the Williams too … ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/14 "2009-01-19T17:02:39Z")
I like the McLaren, I just hate LH and have no opinion of the sterile attitude of HK. Maybe I should change the title to 2009 Formula 1 Season discussion. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/15 "2009-01-19T17:04:38Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > I like the amount of negative toe in the rear, and the amount of positive in the front. Hilarious, I know the '08 car didnt have that much, really must be struggling for grip and turn in with the new aero rules. Can you educate me on some of the rules. I thought they had to run the entire race on one set of tires? How can having all of that negative toe possibly be good for the tire wear? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/16 "2009-01-19T17:13:20Z")
Nope, tire changes and fuel stops are still legal for this year. The one set of tires rule was 2005 only. The largest changes are engines now have to last 3 races, gearboxes 4 (which was last year too IIRC), KERs introduction (electric energy recovery), new rules for front and rear wings, combined with a reduction in aero levels to approximately to 2002 “levels”. They banned all the side flaps and wings etc other than the barge board, front and rear wings basically. They also made the front wings active so the driver can adjust downforce levels on course at any time. Along with bringing back slick tires and a few other technical changes. ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/17 "2009-01-19T17:29:21Z")
Looking at the overhead shot and that front/rear toe is making my head spin. I just start thinking about how they arrived at those settings and you can go around and around all night thinking about it. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/18 "2009-01-20T10:09:48Z")
![http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3213038242_933e87ec7f_o.jpg](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3213038242_933e87ec7f_o.jpg) Caption THAT. :lol: Amusingly the new design looks a lot like it’s little brother the FBMW’s IMO. Certainly not the best of the new designs, but I dont hate the way it looks. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/19 "2009-01-20T10:30:19Z")
Oh wow they brought back slicks… Ferrari takes the constructor again… ☹ I hope BMW stands a chance though. Top driver is going to be exciting! Lewis Hamilton, and Sebastian Vettel. I’m rooting for Vettel. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/20 "2009-01-20T10:33:20Z")
While Vettel is certainly my pick for the future, he doesnt have the car behind him to be a “top driver” this season. LH is a prick. I’ll stick with Massa and Ice Man, with a bit of Nick the Quick mixed in. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576.md?page=2)