# 2009 Formula 1 Season discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 19, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576 "2009-01-19T12:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/21 "2009-01-20T10:37:07Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > While Vettel is certainly my pick for the future, he doesnt have the car behind him to be a “top driver” this season. LH is a prick. I’ll stick with Massa and Ice Man, with a bit of Nick the Quick mixed in. In the rain vettel fucking Rocks… but I do agree, he doesn’t have the car to take points in the end ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/22 "2009-01-20T10:42:27Z")
He’s good, yes, I’ve been a fan of him since he was in GP2, however the Monza rain win was pure luck due to a guess on car setup. Don’t interpret that for more than it was. (A brilliant drive, yes, but a brilliant setup as well, I’d venture there are more than a few drivers on the grid better than him in the rain). ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/23 "2009-01-20T11:02:13Z")
was Kovalainen on merc last year? if so I wonder if he is going to be more vocal about being left heavy on fuel ---
**Author:** ![Mixmastermike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mixmastermike/32/7314_2.png) [@Mixmastermike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mixmastermike)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/24 "2009-01-20T11:05:43Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#): > > Looking at the overhead shot and that front/rear toe is making my head spin. I just start thinking about how they arrived at those settings and you can go around and around all night thinking about it. That might have been what they intended. But if it is somewhat correct, with the reduced aero and the return of slicks you might be able to get a lot more rear grip. By doing this you run the one side at a really high slip angle and the other side at a low angle. After looking at a lot of tire data, you sometimes can get more total grip by setting up the car to have the outside tire operate at its peak grip range with the inside tire not as optimal. The additional grip might be enough to outweigh the drag and other negative affects. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/25 "2009-01-20T11:07:57Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > was Kovalainen on merc last year? if so I wonder if he is going to be more vocal about being left heavy on fuel He’s the #2 driver, he does not get a (“real”) say in strat. He’s CLEARLY a #2 as well, opposed to Ferrari who will support whoever is leading. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/26 "2009-01-20T11:19:18Z")
I understand that, but are they just trying to simplify it? so they can focus on Lewis? it just seems kind of ridiculous when they are 2nd in the constructor, and they are just slowing their man down. I could see Kovalainen taking first and not letting lewis get first place points… but they could have had a better shot at winning the constructor… IDK. it just seems like there isn’t much of a point of even having a decent driver for the number 2 and even wasting effort with him. Hell just use him for testing every race. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/27 "2009-01-20T12:34:41Z")
The different fuel strat doesnt slow him down, it allows him to work up the field taking advantage of potential safety cars and weather conditions for consistent finishes in the points. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/28 "2009-01-21T11:12:41Z")
![http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/l337x3r1cx/p90044760ut0.jpg](http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/l337x3r1cx/p90044760ut0.jpg) '08 (right) and '09 (left) BMW cars together, gives you a basic idea of some of the aero changes. Some testing pics: ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52152_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52152_2.jpg) ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52143_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52143_2.jpg) ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52147_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52147_2.jpg) ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52127_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52127_2.jpg) ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52138_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52138_2.jpg) ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52126_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52126_2.jpg) ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52125_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52125_2.jpg) ![http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52112_2.jpg](http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/52112_2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![dmoffitt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dmoffitt/32/7455_2.png) [@dmoffitt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dmoffitt)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/29 "2009-01-21T11:20:20Z")
still hate the narrow rear wing / huge nose. oh well ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/30 "2009-01-21T11:24:39Z")
yea it looks like they stepped back 5 years ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/31 "2009-01-21T12:02:09Z")
Which… …was the point of the new aero regs… ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/32 "2009-01-21T14:23:55Z")
I’m excited for this year, I think the aero changes and bringing back the slicks will keep things very interesting. What do you guys think of the gold/silver/bronze medals instead of points? I like it. Let the champion be the guy who won the most races, isn’t the point of racing to win? I don’t like the thought of having a champion who never won a race but always came in 2nd or 3rd simply because they never won a race. if you want to be a champion, you have to win races. period. I think my avatar says who I’m rooting for in 09… ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/33 "2009-01-21T14:25:13Z")
dumb… I think points is the way to go… I like how they have them now… ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/34 "2009-01-21T14:27:17Z")
i don’t we have ever agreed on anything… ever. Except that we need to go to a race, we agreed on that. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/35 "2009-01-21T14:27:52Z")
I hate the medals system, the reason we’re in the points dilema we’re in right now was due to Schumie dominating the first half of the season (before his retirement obviously) and it being mathematically impossible for anyone else to win. I think there should be slightly more points for 1st place (the whole you only get 2 more thing just doesnt promote passing). HOWEVER, the past two seasons we’ve been down to the final race for the Championship and I can’t argue with that, it has been INTENSE. I was standing in front of my TV yelling this year. ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/36 "2009-01-21T14:28:08Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > i don’t we have ever agreed on anything… ever. Except that we need to go to a race, we agreed on that. and we both enjoy banging your wife… and your commercials suck ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/37 "2009-01-21T14:28:56Z")
but yes… lets go racing soon… you better make all the events! Cause i know I am oh yea… and 01 2009 FORMULA 1 ING AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX (Melbourne) 27 - 29 Mar Where we watching it? ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/38 "2009-01-21T14:29:46Z")
Medals are retarded. Revise the points systems to be more like the MotoGP system where it heavily awards a win. This system is a leftover of the Schumi days where he was winning every damn race on the calendar, so they wanted to keep the points scores closer to keep the championship from being locked up halfway through the season. Edit. Fuck. Way beaten. ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/39 "2009-01-21T14:30:06Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > I’m excited for this year, I think the aero changes and bringing back the slicks will keep things very interesting. What do you guys think of the gold/silver/bronze medals instead of points? > > I like it. Let the champion be the guy who won the most races, isn’t the point of racing to win? I don’t like the thought of having a champion who never won a race but always came in 2nd or 3rd simply because they never won a race. if you want to be a champion, you have to win races. period. > > I think my avatar says who I’m rooting for in 09… So there is no reward for consistency? You could win 5 races, and then dnf in all the others yet still win championship and as long as no one else has more wins you beat them. Totally stupid imo, what are they using as a tie breaker? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576/40 "2009-01-21T14:34:55Z")
Tie breaker is most wins. Would’ve gone to massa had their been a tie. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2009-formula-1-season-discussion/61576.md?page=3)