# 2010 Season Diggums and Roll Races... **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 10, 2010, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843 "2010-03-10T06:08:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Boost\_Creep](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boost_creep/32/6366_2.png) [@Boost\_Creep](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boost_Creep)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/401 "2010-03-12T10:28:28Z")
My car spins through third, you need to exercise throttle control. ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/402 "2010-03-12T10:32:20Z")
i can make the vette blow them off well thru second gear. and my mustang blew the steam rollers off amost into third, learn how to feather the throttle. thats part of driving. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/403 "2010-03-12T10:36:31Z")
> [@5/30/07 - Bowery Boys Roller Hockey Beer Blast](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-30-07-bowery-boys-roller-hockey-beer-blast/30047/15): > > My car spins through third, you need to exercise throttle control. Exactly. Throttle controll is much easier the higher the gear selection goes with vehicle speed. You can run %70 throttle pos in 3rd and hook, but 70% in 1st no way. The margin of error is MUCH higher the LOWER the gear ratio is. if you graph it the ramp up from hooking first gear would be like +/- say 60% throttle input and hooking 3rd gear is like +/- %15 throttle input. Now take the time your in each gear. 1st lasts about 1 second, and 2rd lasts about 5 or so lets say. That MULTIPLYS the odds of hooking greatly with the given examples above. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/404 "2010-03-12T10:38:53Z")
> [@reporting to nyspeed..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reporting-to-nyspeed/30077/43): > > i can make the vette blow them off well thru second gear. and my mustang blew the steam rollers off amost into third, learn how to feather the throttle. thats part of driving. Your both on rwd cars! every time you get on the gas it ttransers the power to the drive wheels… NOT AWAY FROM THEM Tell me this… how hard was it for you to hook 1st on wet roads getting on it somewhat hard??? EDIT… Come to Ft johnson. I will kindly hand the keys to my jetta to all three of you and you can show me how to drive it. ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/405 "2010-03-12T10:49:39Z")
You chose to build a FWD not us. Hooking first on dry roads is hard in all three of my rwd cars with half throttle. Fuck i cant barely keep my truck from spinning in wet roads. Whats the point of that statement? ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/406 "2010-03-12T10:53:22Z")
> [@reporting to nyspeed..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reporting-to-nyspeed/30077/41): > > and we all know a high powered FWD VS low-mid powered AWD (no bashing you at all pete just saying its not a uber hpz awd car yet)… a dig race between the two is a cat and mouse thing. > > awd jumps out (dont give a shit what kind of driver/slicks/tank tracks/studs your running for traction) for the first XXX feet in the race. then the FWD reels it in (power depending) and attempts to pass the other guy. > > Its like beating a dead horse… weight transfer kills a FWD car, unless the ssupension is setup MUCH differently than common every day FWD cars. Power makes it worse. AWD just simplifies power transfer to the ground. we all know this already… i feel like a retard even posting this. yea i hear ya… the evo bone stock was just as fast as my 30R 1.8t on 15psi was… in a couple weeks we can try you on w/g pressure and me still stock with theexception of a new clutch. oh, its not my fault your gonna spin, get a better set up or learn how to drive!!! i never dig ran my 1.8t because i couldn’t drive it!!! ---
**Author:** ![DUKE\_LADUKE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duke_laduke/32/6317_2.png) [@DUKE\_LADUKE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DUKE_LADUKE)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/407 "2010-03-12T10:54:51Z")
> [@dkid15"](#): > > laduke has a 3071 this guy has a 30r, everything else is the same, except dukey car is about 400lbs lighter and doesnt have a stock clutch hopefully. Dukes gonna need some 24.5’s though. Yea, no stock clutch. Most of the guys run 22’s on these ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/408 "2010-03-12T11:08:10Z")
> [@reporting to nyspeed..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reporting-to-nyspeed/30077/42): > > Agreed on the boost controll part… its not all boost thats the problem. I know this, but its the easiest thing to adjust with the proper tools/equiptment, without using highend tuning and other means of governing the tq produced at different speeds. And nobody wants to run around on a slick on the streets. so lets just quit the slick talk. we are in the SR section atm. :thumbup > > and i honestly dont see you being able to hook 1st, or even 2nd with simple foot controll. and when you say 23psi thats max I assume. no way did your car see 23 psi in 1st or 2nd gear… its false advertising. unless your fluttering the gas pedal like a mexican hat dancer there is no way to limit the tq produced in those LOWER 02M 1st/2nd gears to make it hook. > > I might go out and log throttle position/actuall boost/engine rpm and vehicle speed. I Bet 35% throttle input will show wheel spin in 1st and 2nd. i never said i was making boost in first. but on slicks itll do its thing in every gear. and why no slicks on the street? gotta try to make the field level somehow. it takes 10 minutes to put them on… i came out on them ready to go. i live in colonie bro. not far for me to travel… ill show you how to drive that car. but im not responsible for a broken transmission.:lol yall act like its rocket science to drive a car. slip the clutch and be graceful with throttle imputs. and FYI, i could launch in 2nd on street tires and take off pretty nicely. if youve got coilovers just jack the back up a bit. helps out. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/409 "2010-03-12T11:16:30Z")
> [@FS: 2002 Honda S2000 \*$14,000\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-2002-honda-s2000-14-000/13889/34): > > You chose to build a FWD not us. > > Hooking first on dry roads is hard in all three of my rwd cars with half throttle. Fuck i cant barely keep my truck from spinning in wet roads. Whats the point of that statement? Dumb statement… we build what we owned and could at the time one way or another. This wasnt ment to be more of a physics lession I guess here. but in the end its just some friendly ball bustin. > [@FS: 2003 350z "Track" w/ APS TT + cage (price drop)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-2003-350z-track-w-aps-tt-cage-price-drop/28065/64): > > yea i hear ya… the evo bone stock was just as fast as my 30R 1.8t on 15psi was… > > in a couple weeks we can try you on w/g pressure and me still stock with theexception of a new clutch. > > oh, its not my fault your gonna spin, get a better set up or learn how to drive!!! i never dig ran my 1.8t because i couldn’t drive it!!! yeah petie I wana meet up with you for sure man. I will kindly knock the boost back down to 16psi if you would like. Its all fun for me thats all that matters. Better setup is comming, with time… I have some plans under the radar that will hopefully set my front end up much better than slapping some tires and some coilovers and calling it a “setup”. Hopefully with those mods I can manage to hook MORE TQ to the ground and be faster. :thumbup ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/410 "2010-03-12T11:20:02Z")
> [@No more DoS meet 6-7-07](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-more-dos-meet-6-7-07/29915/24): > > Dumb statement… we build what we owned and could at the time one way or another. This wasnt ment to be more of a physics lession I guess here. but in the end its just some friendly ball bustin. yeah i know, im not trying to be a dick i just had no clue wtf you were tryin to get at lol. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/411 "2010-03-12T11:24:29Z")
> [@The Caz 13th Annual Car Show pics](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-caz-13th-annual-car-show-pics/29938/45): > > i never said i was making boost in first. but on slicks itll do its thing in every gear. and why no slicks on the street? gotta try to make the field level somehow. it takes 10 minutes to put them on… i came out on them ready to go. i live in colonie bro. not far for me to travel… > > ill show you how to drive that car. but im not responsible for a broken transmission.:lol > > yall act like its rocket science to drive a car. slip the clutch and be graceful with throttle imputs. and FYI, i could launch in 2nd on street tires and take off pretty nicely. if youve got coilovers just jack the back up a bit. helps out. Didnt think you could be planting any boost in 1-2. So with that in mind, wouldnt it be a much better soultion to just cut boost or minimize the shit out of it and just plant your foot to make the most NA power in those gears to be more consistant and quicker? Running slicks is not only illegal (I am one to talk I know. lol) but it aint safe if it rains or you hit some dirt. Not to mention driving around on them constantly, doesnt that wear the shit out of them? Its not rocket science but like you said it takes practice and a well setup car to make it worth while. And its each car is much different from the next. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/412 "2010-03-12T11:26:23Z")
> [@No more DoS meet 6-7-07](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-more-dos-meet-6-7-07/29915/24): > > Dumb statement… we build what we owned and could at the time one way or another. This wasnt ment to be more of a physics lession I guess here. but in the end its just some friendly ball bustin. > > yeah petie I wana meet up with you for sure man. I will kindly knock the boost back down to 16psi if you would like. Its all fun for me thats all that matters. works for me, won’t be doing much with the car for next few weeks until it gets tuned with the stuff i have laying around. ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/413 "2010-03-12T11:26:47Z")
not only do they suck safety wise on the street but it doesn’t necesarily wear them out under normal driving. It actually hardens the compound more. Makes them into nothing more than a p.o.s. bald hard tire. Of course they wear quickly as well. But they arent meant to be driven around on and when the compound starts to harden there’s really no saving them. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/414 "2010-03-12T11:30:12Z")
> [@How to steal the soul of an FD - SOLD](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-to-steal-the-soul-of-an-fd-sold/24871/135): > > not only do they suck safety wise on the street but it doesn’t necesarily wear them out under normal driving. It actually hardens the compound more. Makes them into nothing more than a p.o.s. bald hard tire. Of course they wear quickly as well. But they arent meant to be driven around on and when the compound starts to harden there’s really no saving them. Exactly. all very valid reasons why its ghey to run slicks on the road… keep them to the track. unless you have money to burn I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/415 "2010-03-12T12:32:39Z")
> [@New Lotus in Buffalo? GTFO](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-lotus-in-buffalo-gtfo/30091/32): > > Exactly. all very valid reasons why its ghey to run slicks on the road… keep them to the track. unless you have money to burn I guess. gotta pay to play. ---
**Author:** ![cazwrx187](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cazwrx187/32/6388_2.png) [@cazwrx187](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cazwrx187)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/416 "2010-03-12T12:56:11Z")
dkid joey pete 88slowmarro anyone else I’m missing? ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/417 "2010-03-12T13:32:20Z")
> [@24 Hour Gyms?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/24-hour-gyms/30088/14): > > dkid > joey > pete > 88slowmarro > > anyone else I’m missing? We gotta go again buddy! Still cant believ you dident completely walk me right off the rip… was really expsecting you to put a couple cars on me… but i stayed on that quarter/bumper pretty good… ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/418 "2010-03-12T14:00:20Z")
> [@reporting to nyspeed..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reporting-to-nyspeed/30077/34): > > laduke your car should trap 120’s dude. Why are you calling out stock 350z’s and k24/k20 n/a civics? hahaHA. Murrdog’s car will be a good race for Laduke, being generous. > [@Sand Volleyball Courts?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sand-volleyball-courts/30070/14): > > saying 108-118 mph trap with a good launch. Tottally possible on a d series . That’s a HUGE, fucking HUGE, difference in trap speeds you idiot. > [@24 Hour Gyms?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/24-hour-gyms/30088/14): > > dkid > joey > pete > 88slowmarro > > anyone else I’m missing? Assuming dig? No prob, 112 + 24.5"er’s. Name a place. ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/419 "2010-03-12T14:32:43Z")
> [@Above and Beyond 5-30-07 @ Dragonfly](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/above-and-beyond-5-30-07-dragonfly/28749/19): > > That’s a HUGE, fucking HUGE, difference in trap speeds you idiot. hahaha ---
**Author:** ![dkid15](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dkid15/32/6398_2.png) [@dkid15](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dkid15)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843/420 "2010-03-12T17:18:31Z")
> [@reporting to nyspeed..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reporting-to-nyspeed/30077/45): > > Yea, no stock clutch. Most of the guys run 22’s on these 22’s are small for my setup and murrdogs setup. Were all motor k24’s. You should make much more power than us. People here are underestimating the d16 especially in a cx hatch. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2010-season-diggums-and-roll-races/250843.md?page=22)