# 2015 Mustang (the new detroit war isn't all about horsepower) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 18, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379 "2013-10-18T18:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Unknown923](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/unknown923/32/6803_2.png) [@Unknown923](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Unknown923)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/181 "2015-07-16T13:11:37Z")
> [@Deathproof](#): > > I want a gt350 in the worst way. I just want a flat plane crank V8. Redline is 8250 RPM **DROOL** I want to start saving my pennies to get that baby and drop her in my GT. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/182 "2015-07-16T13:19:38Z")
I rented on in California for a weekend. I really enjoyed the car but it is certainly not a “Mustang” to me. Mustangs dont have all of these fancy features and modes. It is a super car, well styled, enjoyable to drive at any pace and very comfortable with the heated/cooled seats. I am a purist when it comes the Mustang name and while this car is certainly the global pursuit of selling cars, it was just a really nice car to me. ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/183 "2015-07-16T19:32:35Z")
I agree that mustangs should be raw. But I think they have so many options and ways to buy them now that it makes them more viable from a profitability standpoint by appealing to a broad audience, which is really what they have always been about. Sure a mustang needs a V8 to me, but that isn’t what they are about to plenty of other people. From day one the mustang has been a versatile car that has meant something different to all different types of buyers. They have had convertible 6 bangers from the start. They have always sold in crazy quantities too. I really want a gt350. Mostly because of a flat plane crank which has absolutely no lineage with mustangs. Oh and the new IRS. Which isn’t a mustang thing traditionally either. Still think it is a bad ass car. Means I’ll have to keep driving a gti as a daily though. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/184 "2015-09-30T06:49:10Z")
![http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/39/1600x800/gallery-1443038322-roa100115fea-shelby-3.jpg](http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/39/1600x800/gallery-1443038322-roa100115fea-shelby-3.jpg) ![http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/39/1600x800/gallery-1443038743-roa100115fea-shelby-10.jpg](http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/39/1600x800/gallery-1443038743-roa100115fea-shelby-10.jpg) ![http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/39/1600x800/landscape-1443038243-roa100115fea-shelby-13.jpg](http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/39/1600x800/landscape-1443038243-roa100115fea-shelby-13.jpg) > **[The 2015 Shelby Super Snake Is an Outrageous Numbers Game That Doesn't Add Up](https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a26666/shelby-super-snake-road-test/)** > > At $100,000 and 850hp, it's the biggest, baddest Mustang Shelby makes. But is it too much of everything? ---
**Author:** ![EvoMR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/evomr/32/7186_2.png) [@EvoMR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EvoMR)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/185 "2015-09-30T07:27:52Z")
Looks cool, but how does it only run 12’s at 116 mph with 850 hp?! ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/186 "2015-09-30T07:30:16Z")
That is pretty funny after all the heat soak issues the new Z06 was getting yet it was still going upper 120s in the 1/4 :lol: ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/187 "2015-09-30T07:45:54Z")
c7 z06 \> super snake ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/188 "2015-09-30T08:16:47Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > [http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a26666/shelby-super-snake-road-test/](http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a26666/shelby-super-snake-road-test/) > In the end, I was able to put down a 1:30.86 lap on the optional Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires. Same lap times as a ~125whp spec miata @ 1:30.905. Slower than a Honda CRX Si, rules restricted to a stock DA16, H/I/E so what… ~115 ish wheel hp, 225 tire. @ 1:29.531 [http://www.greatlakes-scca.org/files/GrattanTrackRecords%20July%202013\_1.pdf](http://www.greatlakes-scca.org/files/GrattanTrackRecords%20July%202013_1.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/189 "2015-09-30T10:26:42Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Same lap times as a ~125whp spec miata @ 1:30.905. > > Slower than a Honda CRX Si, rules restricted to a stock DA16, H/I/E so what… ~115 ish wheel hp, 225 tire. @ 1:29.531 > > [http://www.greatlakes-scca.org/files/GrattanTrackRecords%20July%202013\_1.pdf](http://www.greatlakes-scca.org/files/GrattanTrackRecords%20July%202013_1.pdf) But why? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/190 "2015-09-30T10:31:19Z")
Yea a poverty CRX and a gay Miata are faster :tup: :tup: :tup: The performance specs are disappointing but comparing shitty cars to something brand new with a warranty was cool 10 years ago not so much anymore :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/191 "2015-09-30T10:47:35Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Yea a poverty CRX and a gay Miata are faster :tup: :tup: :tup: > > The performance specs are disappointing but comparing shitty cars to something brand new with a warranty was cool 10 years ago not so much anymore :lol: Bro. My pov spec dedicated track car is faster than your showroom stock mustang. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/192 "2015-09-30T11:10:27Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > But why? Tangible perspective. I am confident that more people on this forum have had real world experiences lapping / racing vehicles similar in performance to CRX and/or Miata than a 850hp Mustang. > [@LZ](#): > > Yea a poverty CRX and a gay Miata are faster :tup: :tup: :tup: > > The performance specs are disappointing but comparing shitty cars to something brand new with a warranty was cool 10 years ago not so much anymore :lol: Well, when you can’t come up with a constructive response insults are always a good choice. At least that hasn’t gone out of style yet. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/193 "2015-09-30T11:18:08Z")
Because 99% of the people buying these cars don’t care about laptimes? Is that a better argument? The fact its down on power as reflected by the trap speed is going to be a much larger issue to most vs the fact some race car gutted Miata tied it around a track. This is the same shit with the FRS/BRZ Oh the handling Oh the handling and none of those people take them to the track. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/194 "2015-09-30T11:18:58Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Because 99% of the people buying these cars don’t care about laptimes? Then why publish lap times? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/195 "2015-09-30T11:21:39Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Then why publish lap times? Because road and track publishes all kind of specs for all cars they look at really fast or really slow? ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2015, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/196 "2015-09-30T12:33:04Z")
I got all excited before reading, hoping it was an 850HP car you could pick off the lot at a dealer, not an absurdly priced tack on package. Would much rather have the vette. Looks bad ass though, especially after being photoshop’d. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/197 "2015-11-30T11:05:46Z")
[https://youtu.be/vtdtGgf1BF0](https://youtu.be/vtdtGgf1BF0) ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/198 "2015-11-30T12:00:33Z")
I will never ever understand why GM guys compare Vettes to Mustangs…forget about the Camaro? which is supposed to be the competitor for the Mustang. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/199 "2015-11-30T12:11:14Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > I will never ever understand why GM guys compare Vettes to Mustangs…forget about the Camaro? which is supposed to be the competitor for the Mustang. Which Mustang? A lot of times they get compared with the GT500 because the price points were similar ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/200 "2015-11-30T12:19:03Z")
I get the bang for the buck, but the GT500 at Mid 60s = ZL1 Camaro Vette Z06 at 80k seems like a bit outside the comparison [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379.md?page=11)