# 2015 Mustang (the new detroit war isn't all about horsepower) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 18, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379 "2013-10-18T18:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![somedude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@somedude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/somedude)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/201 "2015-12-01T08:51:48Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > I will never ever understand why GM guys compare Vettes to Mustangs…forget about the Camaro? which is supposed to be the competitor for the Mustang. ford does not have a corvette competitor. They had the ford GT years ago but it was way over the vette price point so even then it was not good. The GN34 was always rumored to be that car in the late 80’s but it never made it past concept. I have always wondered where ford would have been if they would have embraced their AIV (aluminium vehicle) concepts back in the day. The mustang would probablye be around 3k lbs if it were not steel. I love the GT350. I have always had a thing for high reving engines and that video is fantastic. I have always preferred the looks of the mustang as well to the camaro. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/202 "2015-12-03T07:24:46Z")
The GT350 & GT350R are really close to to say a Corvette with Z51 package? I could talk about how much faster the GT350R is on a track, but that would just fall on deaf ears, so how about a pull on zeee highway: **60-130 mph** $47k Camaro SS with the “fast” 8 speed: **12.0 sec** [http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss-comparison-dec-2015.pdf](http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss-comparison-dec-2015.pdf) $57k GT350 heavy wheels?: **11.0 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review) $67k GT350R (w/ AC?): **10.6 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review) $67 C7 w/ Z51: **10.8 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-manual-long-term-test-wrap-up](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-manual-long-term-test-wrap-up) $61k ZL1: **11.1 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-test-review) $76k Z/28: **11.7 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-road-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-road-test-review) ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/203 "2015-12-03T07:30:43Z")
Did any people heavily debating these topics pick up their GT350, Corvette, or Camaro yet? ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/204 "2015-12-03T07:45:06Z")
I’ll definitely pick one when they fall down to “crash into a wall and still be able to sleep at night” prices. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/205 "2015-12-03T10:05:45Z")
I thought about waiting for the GT350 over my GT500 but I opted not to. The new body style gt500 might grab my attention once I hear the true specs. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/206 "2015-12-03T10:21:52Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > The GT350 & GT350R are really close to to say a Corvette with Z51 package? I could talk about how much faster the GT350R is on a track, but that would just fall on deaf ears, so how about a pull on zeee highway: > > **60-130 mph** > $47k Camaro SS with the “fast” 8 speed: **12.0 sec** [http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss-comparison-dec-2015.pdf](http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss-comparison-dec-2015.pdf) > $57k GT350 heavy wheels?: **11.0 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review) > $67k GT350R (w/ AC?): **10.6 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-gt350r-test-review) > $67 C7 w/ Z51: **10.8 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-manual-long-term-test-wrap-up](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-manual-long-term-test-wrap-up) > > $61k ZL1: **11.1 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-test-review) > $76k Z/28: **11.7 sec** [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-road-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-road-test-review) You can get a 2016 Camaro SS with an auto for under $40k, the one you quoted just happens to be loaded. I would classify an under $40k car into the blue-collar crowd. $50k for the GT350, not so much. I would take a GT350 over the “R” model and save the coin. Still comes with the fantastic engine. I’m curious if you’ll still be posting in next years thread when the 2017 special edition Camaro’s come out? Ford had 2.5 years to benchmark the Z/28 and build something to beat it. Did you think the Z/28 stood a chance? I’m glad Ford beat it and kept the cost in check. I always thought the Z/28 was just priced retarded. The new Camaro platform is roughly 200lbs lighter, and they are working on several variations of the LT-series engines. Hypothetically speaking here, but a 2017 Z/28, 1LE, ZL-1 with 550-600hp, weighing 3500lbs with similar handling to the outgoing Z/28, is going to be tough to beat. They just need to keep the price in check, hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/207 "2015-12-03T11:04:46Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > I’m curious if you’ll still be posting in next years thread when the 2017 special edition Camaro’s come out? > > Did you think the Z/28 stood a chance? I’m def not Ford loyal, so I don’t care who’s faster, as long as they keep going back in forth it is entertaining to watch. Before that Head2Head vid I thought the Z/28 would have been faster or at least a lot closer, hopefully we’ll get to see how it does at Laguna and VIR and see if the difference is the same. The subjective commentary on the Mustang’s feel was surprising considering how much MT have praised the Z/28 in the past. I still think that the used V6s are the way to go for track beaters either Stang or ATS, I’m not sold on the visibility of the Camaro. I could care less about horsepower. Let the magazine editors tell me about how awesome the suspension is for a baseline, throw some aftermarket springs and shocks and roll bars at it and stickier tires than factory. End up with 95% of the grip, none of the refinement, better weight distribution, 70% of the straight line acceleration, at 25% of the cost. I would be totally comfortable crashing a V6 stang or V6 ATS into wall in a couple years after they have depreciated and I’m done with daycare. ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/208 "2015-12-03T17:20:05Z")
Me likey. GT350 probably won’t happen till 2017. Unless I make at least 50% more income in 2016. Hoping for 20% more realistically. ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/209 "2015-12-03T18:52:03Z")
> [@Deathproof](#): > > Me likey. GT350 probably won’t happen till 2017. Unless I make at least 50% more income in 2016. Hoping for 20% more realistically. i’m jsut gonnna wait to find some guy going through a divorce and pick one up on the cheap ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/210 "2015-12-03T18:57:10Z")
> [@snowracer101](#): > > i’m jsut gonnna wait to find some guy going through a divorce and pick one up on the cheap I love them. I need one. ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/211 "2015-12-03T20:29:03Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > I love them. I need one. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/3/a/3a692801723d498d30bc6cf5f63f485173cce2d2.jpeg "Ford Mustang GT350R at Goodwood Festival of Speed 2015") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9d-HhblD0) wiggle wiggle wigggle yah ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/212 "2015-12-04T05:54:32Z")
> [@snowracer101](#): > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9d-HhblD0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9d-HhblD0) > > wiggle wiggle wigggle yah [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/e/a/ea44e3efab86479befdf1e2e1193cd0133324bdd.jpeg "2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R vs. 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 - Head 2 Head Ep. 71") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdtGgf1BF0) ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/213 "2015-12-04T11:56:36Z")
I want blue without stripes, are the stripes on these vinyl? For this car it has to be what I want. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/214 "2015-12-04T12:12:04Z")
All shelby stripes have been optional since 07. These will likely follow suit. In reality they all come striped but stripe delete is the option ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/215 "2015-12-04T12:57:13Z")
Stripes are $475: > **[Ford Mustang® | Build & Price | Shop.ford.com](https://shop.ford.com/configure/mustang/)** > > Our Ford Mustang® build and price page lets you create a car that's tailored to your needs. Personalize everything from the wheels to the engine. Find the perfect combination of features and get a price based on your preferences. - - - Updated - - - > [@Minglor](#): > > [https://youtu.be/vtdtGgf1BF0](https://youtu.be/vtdtGgf1BF0) [http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?242603-2015-Mustang-(the-new-detroit-war-isn-t-all-about-horsepower)&p=4658329&viewfull=1#post4658329](http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?242603-2015-Mustang-(the-new-detroit-war-isn-t-all-about-horsepower)&p=4658329&viewfull=1#post4658329) ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/216 "2015-12-04T13:05:30Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Stripes are $475: > > [http://shop.ford.com/build/mustang/#/select/Config[|Ford|Mustang|2016|1|1.|900A.P8J.....COU.SLB.~YZKAA.SHB.LESS.]](http://shop.ford.com/build/mustang/#/select/Config%5B%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2016%7C1%7C1.%7C900A.P8J.....COU.SLB.~YZKAA.SHB.LESS.%5D) > > - > - > - Updated - - - > > [http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?242603-2015-Mustang-(the-new-detroit-war-isn-t-all-about-horsepower)&p=4658329&viewfull=1#post4658329](http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?242603-2015-Mustang-(the-new-detroit-war-isn-t-all-about-horsepower)&p=4658329&viewfull=1#post4658329) I know. It just so good. ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/217 "2015-12-04T13:44:21Z")
Believe me I know they cost $475 haha. Are they painted? I’ll just text my buddy at west herr who keeps bugging me to order one. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/218 "2016-02-05T13:17:32Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > The GT350 & GT350R are really close to to say a Corvette with Z51 package? called it: [http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-comparison-test](http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-comparison-test) **60-130 mph roll racing:** GT350 : **10.7 sec** [http://media.caranddriver.com/files/first2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-february-2016-comparison.pdf](http://media.caranddriver.com/files/first2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-february-2016-comparison.pdf) C7 w/ Z51: **10.8 sec** [http://media.caranddriver.com/files/second2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-february-2016-comparison.pdf](http://media.caranddriver.com/files/second2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-february-2016-comparison.pdf) **60-150 mph roll racing:** GT350 : **17.8 sec** C7 w/ Z51: **18.2 sec** ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/219 "2016-02-05T13:45:10Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > called it: > > [http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-comparison-test](http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-vs-2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-comparison-test) > > **60-130 mph roll racing:** > GT350 : **10.7 sec** [http://media.caranddriver.com/files/first2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-february-2016-comparison.pdf](http://media.caranddriver.com/files/first2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-february-2016-comparison.pdf) > C7 w/ Z51: **10.8 sec** [http://media.caranddriver.com/files/second2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-february-2016-comparison.pdf](http://media.caranddriver.com/files/second2016-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-february-2016-comparison.pdf) > > **60-150 mph roll racing:** > GT350 : **17.8 sec** > C7 w/ Z51: **18.2 sec** I would say that the particular roll scenario they used might play into the GT350’s gearing better. Like the GT350 might be in 3rd at 60mph, while the Corvette is in 2nd. All of the other performance numbers show the Corvette on top. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/220 "2016-02-05T13:50:50Z")
I could see myself getting a Shelby next year… 😃 ![http://www.nyspeed.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36114&stc=1](http://www.nyspeed.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36114&stc=1) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379.md?page=12)