# 2015 Mustang (the new detroit war isn't all about horsepower) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 18, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379 "2013-10-18T18:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/61 "2013-12-05T06:10:17Z")
The hatch / fastback is awesome :tup: ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/62 "2013-12-05T06:16:53Z")
C&D is now backing off their prediction that it’s going to lose 200lbs. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/63 "2013-12-05T06:47:32Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > C&D is now backing off their prediction that it’s going to lose 200lbs. It would seem extremely hard unless the car is a lot smaller and they dump my aluminum and other light weight materials at it. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_B](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paul_b/32/5452_2.png) [@Paul\_B](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paul_B)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/64 "2013-12-05T07:51:40Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > The hatch / fastback is awesome :tup: I read this and expected the 'vert to be gross, but it actually looks really nice. Even it it doesn’t lose lbs, the car still looks slimmer and less-bulky than previous versions. Great looking car that is making it hard for me to dislike it. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/65 "2013-12-05T12:06:23Z")
I liked hearing that the car is a bit lower, and apparently a dual turbo setup for the I4 (assuming one small and one big for low and high rpm) Correct me if wrong please. [http://jalopnik.com/heres-the-first-video-look-at-the-2015-ford-mustang-1476818566?utm\_campaign=socialflow\_jalopnik\_facebook&utm\_source=jalopnik\_facebook&utm\_medium=socialflow](http://jalopnik.com/heres-the-first-video-look-at-the-2015-ford-mustang-1476818566?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) ---
**Author:** ![drewster99](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drewster99/32/5468_2.png) [@drewster99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drewster99)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/66 "2013-12-05T12:43:52Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > I liked hearing that the car is a bit lower, and apparently a dual turbo setup for the I4 (assuming one small and one big for low and high rpm) Correct me if wrong please. Probably just one twin scroll turbo. There doesn’t seem to be much of a point of sequential turbos anymore. ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/67 "2013-12-05T13:01:17Z")
> [@drewster99](#): > > Probably just one twin scroll turbo. There doesn’t seem to be much of a point of sequential turbos anymore. So what kinds of turbos are there? I know a sequential setup (my understanding is one small into a bigger one for no loss of boost in high or low rpms) Scroll turbo (one turbo…guessing setup different than a normal turbo?) Sorry, not educated in the different types of forced induction since I’ve never owned one. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/harvey/32/5069_2.png) [@Harvey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Harvey)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/68 "2013-12-05T18:28:04Z")
\<3200 lbs is exciting, the rest is banter ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/69 "2013-12-06T02:59:30Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > and apparently a dual turbo setup for the I4 (assuming one small and one big for low and high rpm) Correct me if wrong please. > [@carANDdriver comment section](#): > > TwinForce is the combination of direct fuel injection & turbocharging. Has nothing to do with the number of turbos. . ---
**Author:** ![superfan99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@superfan99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/superfan99)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/70 "2013-12-06T06:09:35Z")
> [@yamba6](#): > > So what kinds of turbos are there? I know a sequential setup (my understanding is one small into a bigger one for no loss of boost in high or low rpms) Scroll turbo (one turbo…guessing setup different than a normal turbo?) > > Sorry, not educated in the different types of forced induction since I’ve never owned one. > **[How It Works: Two-In-One Turbocharger](https://www.popsci.com/content/two-one-turbocharger/)** > > Carmakers are responding to high oil prices and strict fuel-economy standards by replacing large gasoline engines with smaller, more-efficient ones. And ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/71 "2013-12-06T06:16:34Z")
> [@Harvey](#): > > \<3200 lbs is exciting, the rest is banter That part probably isn’t happening anymore, according to C&D. And this according to Edmunds… > Weight reduction measures have been minimal. Aluminum fenders replace the current car’s steel, but otherwise the 2015 Mustang employs a steel-intensive unibody construction. Ford’s lips are sealed regarding curb weight other than to point out that the new car has a lot more feature content than the old car, which is code for “It’s heavier.” Our guess is that the new car will gain about 100 pounds, which would place the GT model in the low 3,700-pound range. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/72 "2013-12-06T06:20:05Z")
I don’t know what magic people would think they could do to keep the price low and drop the weight 500lbs+ BRZ is what 2900-3000lbs and its tiny compared to the mustang ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/73 "2013-12-06T06:38:02Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > I don’t know what magic people would think they could do to keep the price low and drop the weight 500lbs+ > > BRZ is what 2900-3000lbs and its tiny compared to the mustang BRZ is 2760. Considering they went to an IRS and made the car a bit smaller I don’t think a 200lb weight loss was asking too much for 3600 lb car. Ford has never been great at vehicular weight watchers though. Escape 3515, CRV 3305, CX-5 3194. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/74 "2013-12-06T07:36:27Z")
On the subject of BRZ/FR-S vs. Mustang, the last gen V6 (I think that is just a plain 'ole base) didn’t do too bad against them. Even at the same weight the IRS should at the very least improve subjective feel. [http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1207\_high\_performance\_two\_door\_comparison/viewall.html](http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1207_high_performance_two_door_comparison/viewall.html) ![http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/1207_high_performance_two_door_comparison/38502658/28K-Willow-Springs-Raceway-graph.jpg](http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/1207_high_performance_two_door_comparison/38502658/28K-Willow-Springs-Raceway-graph.jpg) Is there an official length on the new one? Here’s the old one. ![http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Project-Cars/Project-86/i-vgsWM3j/0/M/FT86-size-M.png](http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Project-Cars/Project-86/i-vgsWM3j/0/M/FT86-size-M.png) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/75 "2013-12-06T07:39:25Z")
^ That’s a cool picture really showing you the differences. ---
**Author:** ![Mike93](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike93/32/7325_2.png) [@Mike93](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike93)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/76 "2013-12-06T07:43:08Z")
It’s a 2 door Fusion… ![http://shop.classicdesignconcepts.com/product_images/uploaded_images/front-driver.jpg](http://shop.classicdesignconcepts.com/product_images/uploaded_images/front-driver.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Harvey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/harvey/32/5069_2.png) [@Harvey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Harvey)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/77 "2013-12-06T08:06:54Z")
The Cadillac ATS is only 3300 lbs. ---
**Author:** ![piratemosh666](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/piratemosh666/32/6116_2.png) [@piratemosh666](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/piratemosh666)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/78 "2013-12-06T08:41:31Z")
> [@Mike93](#): > > It’s a 2 door Fusion… That’s hot. ---
**Author:** ![Gl1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gl1/32/5471_2.png) [@Gl1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gl1)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/79 "2013-12-06T08:48:45Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > BRZ is 2760. > > Considering they went to an IRS and made the car a bit smaller I don’t think a 200lb weight loss was asking too much for 3600 lb car. Ford has never been great at vehicular weight watchers though. Escape 3515, CRV 3305, CX-5 3194. but then Camaro ss 3719 lbs, Challenger srt8 4170, Mustang gt 3618 ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379/80 "2013-12-06T08:53:54Z")
> [@Harvey](#): > > The Cadillac ATS is only 3300 lbs. More expensive materials? Costs ~$10k more and 98 less horsepowers. [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-cadillac-ats-25l-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-cadillac-ats-25l-test-review) Base vs. Base. You’d have to step up to the $37,595 (base price) 3561 lb ATS 3.6 to match the 14.0 second 1/4 mile of the $22,995 (base price) 3520 lb V6 Mustang Caddy: [http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-cadillac-ats-36-instrumented-test-review](http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-cadillac-ats-36-instrumented-test-review) Stang: [http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2011-ford-mustang-v6-vs-2010-chevrolet-camaro-rspony-car-twin-bill.pdf](http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2011-ford-mustang-v6-vs-2010-chevrolet-camaro-rspony-car-twin-bill.pdf) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2015-mustang-the-new-detroit-war-isnt-all-about-horsepower/233379.md?page=5)