# 27 dead in school shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 14, 2012, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750 "2012-12-14T10:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![pitman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4da419/32.png) [@pitman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/pitman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/301 "2012-12-18T10:43:10Z")
> [@And you wonder why apple is overpriced](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/and-you-wonder-why-apple-is-overpriced/51294/27): > > Lets roll back the facts here. Some fucking punk is at his desk and wants to flip shit in school and kill a bunch of people. > > How are you going to stop it from happening? > > And when the shot in hell at STOPPING it from starting, happens whats the next step? the best thing is to have only good people. if he was good he wouldnt have considered it. theres many ways to create a good person just like creating a bad one. the enviroment, the things you eat, the people you see, the things you read, the activities you choose etc theres a huge list. the parents and schools have a big role too think of a pitbull dog. its not a bad dog until something happens to it creating a bad dog. everything is born good but the things it encounters can change it to a bad one. if we can avoid all the bad things that create bad people we would have a better place to live. thats the simplest way to approach this. taking guns away from good people will not stop a bad person. writing a new law will not stop a bad person ---
**Author:** ![pitman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4da419/32.png) [@pitman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/pitman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/302 "2012-12-18T10:44:18Z")
> [@And you wonder why apple is overpriced](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/and-you-wonder-why-apple-is-overpriced/51294/27): > > Lets roll back the facts here. Some fucking punk is at his desk and wants to flip shit in school and kill a bunch of people. > > How are you going to stop it from happening? > > And when the shot in hell at STOPPING it from starting, happens whats the next step? good people stop bad things from happening. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/303 "2012-12-18T11:41:56Z")
> [@Ivana Trump's yacht in Buffalo Harbor UPDATE: \*Now with pics\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ivana-trumps-yacht-in-buffalo-harbor-update-now-with-pics/51282/71): > > good people stop bad things from happening. “good people” “bad people” Great arguments. :rofl :rofl :rofl Where were your good people when a person fell on the train tracks in New York City? There were no good people on 3 out of 4 9/11 planes? You’re one step away from saying Jeezus will save us all. One persons good person is another persons bad person, like a doctor that performed an abortion in order to save a mother. Good or bad? These aren’t arguments. It’s nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![love4boost](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/love4boost/32/6658_2.png) [@love4boost](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/love4boost)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/304 "2012-12-18T12:18:40Z")
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**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/305 "2012-12-18T12:25:22Z")
Imma tell you something you might not know about me Joe Rogan… I smoke rocks! ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/306 "2012-12-18T12:57:55Z")
> [@A white C6 for 30K?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-white-c6-for-30k/51287/66): > > “good people” > > “bad people” > > Great arguments. > > :rofl :rofl :rofl > > Where were your good people when a person fell on the train tracks in New York City? > > There were no good people on 3 out of 4 9/11 planes? > > You’re one step away from saying Jeezus will save us all. > > One persons good person is another persons bad person, like a doctor that performed an abortion in order to save a mother. Good or bad? > > These aren’t arguments. It’s nonsense. Like I said from the beginning. Nothing we can do will stand a chance at ever stopping stuff from happening. The only constant in this entire hypothisis is that if ya dont fight back and give yourself the chance to protect yourself… you stand zero chance at effecting the outcome. NONE. Other than crossing your fingers, putting your head between your legs and kissing your ass good by. ---
**Author:** ![ds50r](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ds50r/32/3491_2.png) [@ds50r](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ds50r)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/307 "2012-12-18T13:46:57Z")
fuck yo couch N\*\*\*A!!! ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/308 "2012-12-18T14:19:03Z")
> [@FS: 2006 DSG GTI, $20,000. APR Tuned!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-2006-dsg-gti-20-000-apr-tuned/50980/34): > > Like I said from the beginning. Nothing we can do will stand a chance at ever stopping stuff from happening. The only constant in this entire hypothisis is that if ya dont fight back and give yourself the chance to protect yourself… you stand zero chance at effecting the outcome. NONE. > > Other than crossing your fingers, putting your head between your legs and kissing your ass good by. Pretty sure jumping out of the window and running like all hell and being far away from the problem while shooter is in a gun stand off with a brave armed civilian gives you much better chance than the armed guy. Regardless as I’ve said these things can’t be stopped. And just like laws won’t work to prevent this, neither will addition of guns in schools on kids and teachers. Plus thinking back to many of my teachers, fuck those people being armed. ---
**Author:** ![KillerBlackbird](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/killerblackbird/32/6525_2.png) [@KillerBlackbird](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KillerBlackbird)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/309 "2012-12-18T15:14:24Z")
> [@Sister Scratched My Car... What to Do???](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sister-scratched-my-car-what-to-do/51269/38): > > what do they all teach a class full of ninjas? > > I am sure you might hear someone get up and come walking or running at them! And do you think EVERY student there will not say “WATCH OUT MRS BADASSWITHAGLOCK TEACHER”! > > and again, if you have someone that wants to do that, they will find a way like you said. But hey, atleast the teacher nextdoor is also armed and can kick the door down and try to save some people. > > you cant stop/fix stupid… only try to help it Kid could politely walk up to the teacher like hes going to ask him/her a question and drill him/her in the face. Whats up now? My point is you can’t prevent this from happening and by placing more firearms where they shouldn’t be isn’t helping the situation at all. We all know a bill will be written banning assault weapons just like the one that went into effect in 1994. Congress will still have to pass it which could take another year or eternity. If it does pass, nothing will change. Guns will still be here, schools will still get shot up like Columbine did during the last assault weapons ban. Take away everyones gun, do a “buy-back” program, I or anyone on this forum can still carry a knife or use our bare hands. You can argue “Yea, well you’ll only be able to snap one kids neck before someone stops you!” - Is it acceptable to kill one kid or 20? The answer is none, no kid should be killed, so you’re still not solving anything. Separate all the crazy kids and adults like they used to and everyone screams equal rights blah blah. ---
**Author:** ![Yetti\_VR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yetti_vr/32/6357_2.png) [@Yetti\_VR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Yetti_VR)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/310 "2012-12-18T18:50:21Z")
Yea a lot of it stems from the no child left behind act which took a lot of the special needs kids and threw them right in with everyone else… Some kids need more attention not more medication ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/311 "2012-12-18T20:04:10Z")
I think it’s extremely stupid that people are suggesting that the teachers arm themselves. 1. You really want to have a bunch of untrained, mostly women, possess guns as a way to keep children safe? Oh yea, aren’t most teachers liberal and anti-gun? Yup. 2. So you say they must be trained… Are you willing to pay thousands more each year in property/school taxes to fund this. Let’s not forget you’d be covering the cost of: training, firearm, ammunition, holsters or lock boxes, INSURANCE, etc…? 3. Wouldn’t it be at least a little cheaper to hire one or two veterans who are seeking employment, as long as they were honorably discharged with not PTSD or similar? I think it’s safe to assume most of them have at least a little bit more training than your average police officer, so you wouldn’t have to pay for that. Also, given that you’d be paying another employee (whose military pay was most likely less than that of a starting teacher), it’s slightly help the unemployment rate of the nation, plus generate revenue via taxes (though you’d be paying for it via school taxes). Are any of these solutions actually viable? Who knows. It’d be tough to do a cost-benefit analysis on it all. I really want to get some opinions from my neighbor who’s a superintendent of a local school district. ---
**Author:** ![yota](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/76d3ee/32.png) [@yota](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yota)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/312 "2012-12-18T20:28:04Z")
A post from another forum I frequent why the gun is civilization. Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, thats it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the muggers potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative has no validity when most of a muggers potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and thats the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then theres the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones dont constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon thats as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldnt work as well as a force equalizer if it wasnt both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I dont do so because I am looking for a fight, but because Im looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I dont carry it because Im afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesnt limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation and thats why carrying a gun is a civilized act. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/313 "2012-12-18T22:40:05Z")
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**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/314 "2012-12-18T22:42:45Z")
So before the gun was invented there was only persuasion? ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/315 "2012-12-19T04:11:20Z")
> [@Ivana Trump's yacht in Buffalo Harbor UPDATE: \*Now with pics\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ivana-trumps-yacht-in-buffalo-harbor-update-now-with-pics/51282/17): > > Damir came in with his friend and his friend bought it… Rifle was not stolen and he even admitted that… What I think happened was I sold it for like $400-500 and he regretted it so he made that up that it came up sketchy… He didnt give me a reason or explanation of what was wrong with it when he ran it, just told me that “it was involved in something but idk” and i took it back… He’s definately the kind of person you cannot trust ---
**Author:** ![yota](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/76d3ee/32.png) [@yota](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yota)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/316 "2012-12-19T05:43:30Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/1613): > > So before the gun was invented there was only persuasion? No. It’s about persuasion or FORCE, not guns. Guns put people on a level playing field, indiscriminate of physical stature, thereby discouraging the use of force upon a person possessing the gun. Simply put, it takes force out of the equation if someone wants something from you. ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/317 "2012-12-19T05:54:07Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/1613): > > So before the gun was invented there was only persuasion? Before the guns there were other weapons. Before that there was brute force. A gun is an equalizer. ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/318 "2012-12-19T05:57:00Z")
^i.e. would you rather try to steal form a guy with or without a gun? the gun is an equalizer ---
**Author:** ![JoeD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/77aa72/32.png) [@JoeD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoeD)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/319 "2012-12-19T06:02:45Z")
“America… just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable.” Hunter S. Thompson “I fear no man not even with gun, knife, or army. When it is my time to go it is my time. A gun in a scared mans hand is like a car in a drunks.” JoeD. Last post on shift Thanks Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2012, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/320 "2012-12-19T06:07:18Z")
> [@What do you do if your guy friend is going country?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-do-you-do-if-your-guy-friend-is-going-country/51298/12): > > Pretty sure jumping out of the window and running like all hell and being far away from the problem while shooter is in a gun stand off with a brave armed civilian gives you much better chance than the armed guy. > > Regardless as I’ve said these things can’t be stopped. > > And just like laws won’t work to prevent this, neither will addition of guns in schools on kids and teachers. > > Plus thinking back to many of my teachers, fuck those people being armed. OK, so if NOBODY other than the shooter was armed, ya aint got time to get to that window, infact i bet he will see ya running and shoot ya in the back. So your solution there is, change nothing, throw your hands up and say ahh fuck not again. > [@Anyone got an Evo X?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-got-an-evo-x/51196/72): > > Yea a lot of it stems from the no child left behind act which took a lot of the special needs kids and threw them right in with everyone else… Some kids need more attention not more medication Ask libby about how it works in schools with known troubled students. They are not dealt with equally when they mess up with in school. If they are known to have anger issues, and get into fights, if its known “on their file” they do not get the same punishment that nice boy Nick who got into a little scuffle on the courts. Nick gets suspended, always pissed off Paul gets armature in school social psych help, which goes in one ear and out the other. Every school has “special classes”. Those kids did have legal defects, and alot of them were violent. Next time ya talk to my mom, ask her about it. She worked with them, and knows the teachers in those classes very well. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750.md?page=17)