# 27 dead in school shooting

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**Created:** [December 14, 2012, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750 "2012-12-14T10:01:55Z")
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### Author: ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2012, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/27-dead-in-school-shooting/265750/321 "2012-12-19T08:27:00Z")

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> [@So poor people.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-poor-people/51301/10):
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> ^i.e. would you rather try to steal form a guy with or without a gun?
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> the gun is an equalizer

Your argument assumes certain things in order to work.

If the person is

a) illogical/insane or has some kind of mental defect  
b) has no value in his life and isn’t expecting to live at the end of his doing

Your argument doesn’t work. These people go on suicide missions and don’t expect to come out of them, you can’t tell them “hey if you fuck with me, I’ll shoot you”, when they don’t value their own life.

> [@KrazyKid"](#):
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> OK, so if NOBODY other than the shooter was armed, ya aint got time to get to that window, infact i bet he will see ya running and shoot ya in the back.
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> So your solution there is, change nothing, throw your hands up and say ahh fuck not again.
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> Ask libby about how it works in schools with known troubled students. They are not dealt with equally when they mess up with in school. If they are known to have anger issues, and get into fights, if its known “on their file” they do not get the same punishment that nice boy Nick who got into a little scuffle on the courts. Nick gets suspended, always pissed off Paul gets armature in school social psych help, which goes in one ear and out the other.
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> Every school has “special classes”. Those kids did have legal defects, and alot of them were violent. Next time ya talk to my mom, ask her about it. She worked with them, and knows the teachers in those classes very well.

Isn’t part of the whole “leave guns alone they aren’t an issue” argument is that anything can be used as a weapon to kill the man such as knives or even a pen?

Give the teachers ninja stars for all I care, the point is a teacher is NOT the same as an armed guard. And if an armed guard spend 99% of his time with a blackboard and 30 kids in front of him learning, he wouldn’t be much of an armed guard as his attention would be dedicated to something else entirely.

Not to mention military spends a lot of money and a lot of training to make soldiers ready and willing to kill. Just cause you give teachers weapons it doesn’t make them shooting back heros.

This argument is stupid.

I’ll say the same thing I said many times before.

Whether you’re pro gun or anti gun you can’t come up with a solution to stop this that actually works. Whether it be arming everybody to the teeth, or stripping everybody away.

Blame the mother who raised the maniac and didn’t secure her weapons allowing herself to be killed by her own gun.

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