# 300hp E36 M3 goes down **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 3, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144 "2004-08-03T23:51:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/21 "2004-08-27T19:52:16Z")
> [@kmurph](#): > > Whatever…Maybe you should try driving on a track that actually has turns and is longer than 1320 ft…then we’ll see who the real pussy is 🙂 > > [M3 CLS at Nordschleife](http://www.stevecarter.com/M3CSL.wmv) 03 Cobras can actually hold their own on the road course as well… that is what the car was actually built for 🙂 I’m not afraid to go head to head against an M3 in the twisties. What little advantage you have in the turns… ill make up for it on the straightaways. This may come as a shock, but my braking is also a tad bit superior or we could just put up a 2000 Cobra-R against a 2003 CSL M3 and see who wins. both are $55,000 and from the looks of it, the R will smack it every category You brought this arguement up, with the wrong domestic car bub 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/22 "2004-08-27T19:54:33Z")
> **[2003 BMW M3 CSL | BMW | SuperCars.net](https://www.supercars.net/blog/2003-bmw-m3-csl/)** > > 2003 BMW M3 CSL A new sports car now embodies the very core of the BMW brand in its most original style – the M3 CSL. Taking up the heritage and legendary success of BMW’s famous lightweight coupés which gained fame in touring car racing back in the... ---
**Author:** ![kmurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@kmurph](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kmurph)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2004, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/23 "2004-08-29T08:31:15Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > 03 Cobras can actually hold their own on the road course as well… that is what the car was actually built for 🙂 I’m not afraid to go head to head against an M3 in the twisties. What little advantage you have in the turns… ill make up for it on the straightaways. > > This may come as a shock, but my braking is also a tad bit superior > > or we could just put up a 2000 Cobra-R against a 2003 CSL M3 and see who wins. > > both are $55,000 and from the looks of it, the R will smack it every category > > You brought this arguement up, with the wrong domestic car bub 🙂 I did not intend to start an argument. I was only responding to your ignorant statement regarding BMW drivers…I guess you missed my point. I’ve always appreciated Mustang Cobras and know they’re very capable cars… [BMW FW26](http://bmw.williamsf1.com/03-9032C0B62D28289116BE0621D3D63326/ms/en/4_serien/41_f1/414_highlights/4142_videogalerie/carlaunch_2_lan.wmv) would not want to mess with this in a straight line… [A Pretty fast Cobra](http://members.roadfly.org/kmurph/toofast4u.wmv) ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/24 "2004-08-30T01:39:22Z")
> [@kmurph](#): > > I did not intend to start an argument. I was only responding to your ignorant statement regarding BMW drivers…I guess you missed my point. I’ve always appreciated Mustang Cobras and know they’re very capable cars… > > [BMW FW26](http://bmw.williamsf1.com/03-9032C0B62D28289116BE0621D3D63326/ms/en/4_serien/41_f1/414_highlights/4142_videogalerie/carlaunch_2_lan.wmv) > > would not want to mess with this in a straight line… > > [A Pretty fast Cobra](http://members.roadfly.org/kmurph/toofast4u.wmv) I’m toying with you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kmurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@kmurph](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kmurph)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/25 "2004-08-31T04:55:56Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > I’m toying with you 🙂 I kind of figured that…it’s all good. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2004, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/26 "2004-08-31T11:54:03Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > 03 Cobras can actually hold their own on the road course as well… that is what the car was actually built for 🙂 I’m not afraid to go head to head against an M3 in the twisties. What little advantage you have in the turns… ill make up for it on the straightaways. > > This may come as a shock, but my braking is also a tad bit superior > > or we could just put up a 2000 Cobra-R against a 2003 CSL M3 and see who wins. > > both are $55,000 and from the looks of it, the R will smack it every category > > You brought this arguement up, with the wrong domestic car bub 🙂 :greddy: ---
**Author:** ![kilmer420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d6d6ee/32.png) [@kilmer420](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kilmer420)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/27 "2004-09-02T09:21:54Z")
> [@Black\_WS6](#): > > 🤣 ~$55K and no radio or AC. 🤣 x 45094060654. And I thought the germans were smart? well the euro version has cams in it that give in that much more HP the cams are very aggressive and give great $ to pwr ratio and the m3 from the eurostyleseast…is pretty slow…he says it’s all top end like 120mph + but I somehow highly doubt it being that much faster than most people on here with healthy motors ---
**Author:** ![kmurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@kmurph](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kmurph)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/28 "2004-09-02T11:31:09Z")
> [@kilmer420](#): > > well the euro version has cams in it that give in that much more HP > the cams are very aggressive and give great $ to pwr ratio > > and the m3 from the eurostyleseast…is pretty slow…he says it’s all top end like 120mph + but I somehow highly doubt it being that much faster than most people on here with healthy motors If you talking about the e46 M3 (2001-?), then the U.S. version is basically the same as the Euro version. The only difference is location of the headers…the U.S. version has the cats on the manifold while the Euro version has them located farther down in the midpipe area…The Euro version is rated at 343 DIN HP while the U.S. version is 333 SAE HP…which, after the conversion, is only about 5 HP difference. …Not sure what you mean by pretty slow…a stock e46 M3 is capable of running 12.7 sec quarter mile and a 4.5 sec 0-60 with a good driver and conditions…It will also top out at 170+ mph…is it going to beat a domestic V8 muscle car with a lot of mods…hell no! …but it doesn’t do too bad for only having a naturally aspirated 3.2L Inline 6 engine. ---
**Author:** ![kilmer420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d6d6ee/32.png) [@kilmer420](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kilmer420)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2004, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/29 "2004-09-07T13:15:16Z")
> [@kmurph](#): > > If you talking about the e46 M3 (2001-?), then the U.S. version is basically the same as the Euro version. The only difference is location of the headers…the U.S. version has the cats on the manifold while the Euro version has them located farther down in the midpipe area…The Euro version is rated at 343 DIN HP while the U.S. version is 333 SAE HP…which, after the conversion, is only about 5 HP difference. > > …Not sure what you mean by pretty slow…a stock e46 M3 is capable of running 12.7 sec quarter mile and a 4.5 sec 0-60 with a good driver and conditions…It will also top out at 170+ mph…is it going to beat a domestic V8 muscle car with a lot of mods…hell no! …but it doesn’t do too bad for only having a naturally aspirated 3.2L Inline 6 engine. ok…I should have clarified…I was refering to the E36M3’s not the E46…I know the E46 is strong and a very nice car…I would like to race one actually… :drama: ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/30 "2004-09-07T13:27:05Z")
> [@kilmer420](#): > > and the m3 from the eurostyleseast…is pretty slow…he says it’s all top end like 120mph + but I somehow highly doubt it being that much faster than most people on here with healthy motors who’s he and why should be give a fuck… never seen it at the track, never seen it on the street… the only time i ever saw it was, it getting smoked at pittsburgh thunder by a fucking restored OEM vw beetle… WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/31 "2004-09-07T17:50:53Z")
i have yet to see an E46 M3 run lower than a 13.3 stock ---
**Author:** ![kmurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@kmurph](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kmurph)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2004, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/32 "2004-09-08T06:20:44Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > i have yet to see an E46 M3 run lower than a 13.3 stock the best time slip I have seen from a bone stock M3… 60’-1.796 330’-5.286 1/8-8.174 1/8 mph-85.95 1000’-10.633 1/4 mile-12.727 1/4 mile mph-107.42 …driven by Lee Rutter who, I guess, is a well know Mustang guy. Here’s a run by Lee with the only mod being pulleys (which only add between 6-9 rwhp.) and SSR Comp wheels that still have stock rubber… [Lee Rutter…1/4 mile](http://www.daftproductions.com/videos/M3_12-638_106-34.mpg) He is, obviously, a very talented drag racer…the average driver will never see 12s. ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2004, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/33 "2004-09-08T21:11:47Z")
> [@kmurph](#): > > the best time slip I have seen from a bone stock M3… > > 60’-1.796 > 330’-5.286 > 1/8-8.174 1/8 mph-85.95 > 1000’-10.633 > 1/4 mile-12.727 1/4 mile mph-107.42 > > …driven by Lee Rutter who, I guess, is a well know Mustang guy. > > Here’s a run by Lee with the only mod being pulleys (which only add between 6-9 rwhp.) and SSR Comp wheels that still have stock rubber… > > [Lee Rutter…1/4 mile](http://www.daftproductions.com/videos/M3_12-638_106-34.mpg) > > He is, obviously, a very talented drag racer…the average driver will never see 12s. I’ve seen that run before posted on the Mach 1 forums. They were not stock tires on the vehicle. He was running BFG DRs, nor was the exhaust and intake stock ---
**Author:** ![kmurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@kmurph](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kmurph)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2004, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/34 "2004-09-09T05:57:10Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > I’ve seen that run before posted on the Mach 1 forums. They were not stock tires on the vehicle. He was running BFG DRs, nor was the exhaust and intake stock According to Lee (in the 12.63 video), he ran stock Contisports…and the only mod was pulleys…nothing else…stock intake, exhaust, etc. He said he avoids drag radials because it’s too hard to launch w/ the M3 - too much wheel hop. With regards to the video you saw on the Mach 1 forums…you’re probably thinking of the video where a Mach 1 is in the other lane… …Lee is only running pulleys, Eurobahn software and has SSR Comps w/ street tires. He also stripped a little weight out of the car…still has the stock exhaust and intake. From my understanding, the Mach 1 also has a few mods. Here’s the video… [12.49 Run](http://www.daftproductions.com/videos/M3_12-497_109-30.mpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2004, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/35 "2004-09-10T14:22:54Z")
> [@kmurph](#): > > According to Lee (in the 12.63 video), he ran stock Contisports…and the only mod was pulleys…nothing else…stock intake, exhaust, etc. He said he avoids drag radials because it’s too hard to launch w/ the M3 - too much wheel hop. > > With regards to the video you saw on the Mach 1 forums…you’re probably thinking of the video where a Mach 1 is in the other lane… > > …Lee is only running pulleys, Eurobahn software and has SSR Comps w/ street tires. He also stripped a little weight out of the car…still has the stock exhaust and intake. From my understanding, the Mach 1 also has a few mods. > > Here’s the video… > [12.49 Run](http://www.daftproductions.com/videos/M3_12-497_109-30.mpg) I’ve seen that video, the one you shown. and I seen the Mach 1 vs the M3 street race video, where they went from varying speeds. From a dead stop the Mach 1, won. From a 30 roll, the Mach won again. From 60 the M3 won. ---
**Author:** ![xfrankx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/2bfe46/32.png) [@xfrankx](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/xfrankx)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/36 "2004-10-19T16:41:01Z")
i would still rather own a bmw over a ford anyday. ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/37 "2004-10-19T19:01:27Z")
> [@xfrankx](#): > > i would still rather own a bmw over a ford anyday. own them alot too… ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/38 "2004-10-19T22:01:38Z")
> [@xfrankx](#): > > i would still rather own a bmw over a ford anyday. I’ve owned quite a few BMW’s with the M’s on them… with my Ford 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![grandamld9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/48db29/32.png) [@grandamld9](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/grandamld9)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2004, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/39 "2004-10-19T22:25:40Z")
> [@kmurph](#): > > [BMW FW26](http://bmw.williamsf1.com/03-9032C0B62D28289116BE0621D3D63326/ms/en/4_serien/41_f1/414_highlights/4142_videogalerie/carlaunch_2_lan.wmv) I dont know what the american public sees in nascar when you can watch cars like that go in circles. ---
**Author:** ![kmurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@kmurph](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kmurph)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144/40 "2004-10-20T05:47:24Z")
> [@grandamld9](#): > > I dont know what the american public sees in nascar when you can watch cars like that go in circles. I love F1 but NASCAR has been growing on me over the last couple of years…I’ve been to a few Daytona 500s and the races are pretty exciting…so many more lead changes than F1…but there’s still nothing like hearing a F1 car at the track - they sound absolutely amazing and they are soooooo loud! I’ve been to CART races and NASCAR but the F1 car was the only one that physically hurt my ears…19000+ rpms will do that. …there’s nothing like a F1 start. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300hp-e36-m3-goes-down/168144.md?page=3)