# 360 bans **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 10, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919 "2008-11-10T15:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/181 "2008-11-11T13:51:24Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Interesting that c4eva has posted the live logs and says none of the security checks have changed. > > That means more than likely some of these “properly stealthed” games weren’t so properly stealthed afterall. > > No definative answer yet though, but it has been confirmed that MS has not added any **new** checks to the system. Thanks for doing the legwork on this Jay. It’s good to hear. A little while ago I added abgx360 to my .iso testing just to validate it’s stealth. Of course with mulleter. I can’t wait to go home and see if I’m banned! Likely I won’t be though, and I’ll be playing COD5. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SkunkApe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skunkape/32/7575_2.png) [@SkunkApe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SkunkApe)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/182 "2008-11-11T13:54:08Z")
adam…ill swing by to pick mine up 😉 in an hour or so ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/183 "2008-11-11T13:58:29Z")
Who does mod systems on here now? I dont have a desktop to do it so if I get one, i might look for someone to do it. Also, you can get the debug version of your firmware and watch the c/r from the xbox live and see what is happening if you are really concerned ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/184 "2008-11-11T14:19:33Z")
> [@sureshot!](#): > > Thanks for doing the legwork on this Jay. It’s good to hear. > > A little while ago I added abgx360 to my .iso testing just to validate it’s stealth. Of course with mulleter. > > I can’t wait to go home and see if I’m banned! Likely I won’t be though, and I’ll be playing COD5. 🙂 A lot of banned people are saying all their games were validated stealth. xtreme 1.3+ won’t even let you boot a non-stealth disk. My guess, just as a programmer, is MS has been reverse engineering programs like Mulleter to find something it’s not looking for and using that to detect backups. Who knows though, I’m no 360 security engineer. The lack of new checks makes me think they’ve found some way to detect these supposed “stealth” backups because they’re not looking at the firmware. As stated earlier I’m leaving my modded and unbanned as of 11am system offline until someone like c4eva explains how the bans are happening. If I start to twitch because of a lack of R6V2 I’ll go pickup a legit copy and hook up that liteon drive 360 I got as an RRoD replacement and blow the dust off it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/185 "2008-11-11T15:23:20Z")
Just booted up the one legit game i own, no issues with live 🙂 Not banned Shut it off, unplugged ethernet, will wait til people figure out wtf happened, and in the meantime ill continue my madden franchise. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/186 "2008-11-11T15:41:38Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > A lot of banned people are saying all their games were validated stealth. xtreme 1.3+ won’t even let you boot a non-stealth disk. My guess, just as a programmer, is MS has been reverse engineering programs like Mulleter to find something it’s not looking for and using that to detect backups. > > Who knows though, I’m no 360 security engineer. The lack of new checks makes me think they’ve found some way to detect these supposed “stealth” backups because they’re not looking at the firmware. As stated earlier I’m leaving my modded and unbanned as of 11am system offline until someone like c4eva explains how the bans are happening. If I start to twitch because of a lack of R6V2 I’ll go pickup a legit copy and hook up that liteon drive 360 I got as an RRoD replacement and blow the dust off it. 🙂 I really think its the same thing that happened last year with the wave of bans. Mullerter just checks MD5s and disc layouts in comparison with an “assumed good” copy in the database. Last year, some new games had a different video sectors on the dvd which caused small sectors of the data partition to become corrupt due to a bug in the Kreon ripping firmware. Even tho these games were “Sealth Patched” and everything properly, they caused the wave of bans. I am willing to bet it is a similar thing this time around. There is still no way to detect modded firmware in Samsung drives (the way the drive is built makes this impossible becuase it does not have the ability to execute code on boot) unless you mess with the dvd drive speed so you as long as you have that, playing legit games on live is guaranteed to be ok. It will just be a new check put into mulleter/xtreme firmware along with some Kreon updates and the scene will be back to having their mods back. ---
**Author:** ![Locutus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/locutus/32/7574_2.png) [@Locutus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Locutus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/187 "2008-11-11T16:13:24Z")
i wish i could talk about things in this thread… ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/188 "2008-11-11T16:21:13Z")
How come doug the pug doesn’t blog any more? ---
**Author:** ![RobHimself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e480ec/32.png) [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/189 "2008-11-12T05:47:47Z")
> [@Locutus](#): > > i wish i could talk about things in this thread… sad that you dont share. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/190 "2008-11-12T06:08:40Z")
\<-- still not banned on Live…weird… ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/191 "2008-11-12T06:14:07Z")
> [@Locutus](#): > > i wish i could talk about things in this thread… yes but of course the need to come and post this in this thread is totally needed so we know how fucking sweet you are… GOD everything you post is fucking lame. :banghead: > [@Joe](#): > > How come doug the pug doesn’t blog any more? yes, maybe doug the pug can explain the in depth details of xbox live bans on his blog after he’s done crying ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/192 "2008-11-12T06:15:44Z")
hahaha :tup: ---
**Author:** ![SkunkApe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skunkape/32/7575_2.png) [@SkunkApe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SkunkApe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/193 "2008-11-12T06:17:34Z")
> [@chino](#): > > yes but of course the need to come and post this in this thread is totally needed so we know how fucking sweet you are… > > GOD everything you post is fucking lame. :banghead: yes because this post was that much better :bloated: anyways… as of 2 days ago…still not banned. didn’t have time to check yesterday. I’ll prob be on live later ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/194 "2008-11-12T06:19:13Z")
> [@SkunkApe](#): > > yes because this post was that much better :bloated: > > anyways… as of 2 days ago…still not banned. didn’t have time to check yesterday. I’ll prob be on live later can someone tell aaron that i also think his post was lame ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/195 "2008-11-12T06:20:07Z")
> [@SkunkApe](#): > > yes because this post was that much better :bloated: > > anyways… as of 2 days ago…still not banned. didn’t have time to check yesterday. I’ll prob be on live later double lame ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/196 "2008-11-12T06:21:31Z")
> [@chino](#): > > can someone tell aaron that i also think his post was lame done ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/197 "2008-11-12T06:21:47Z")
chino’s post \> locutus’s & skunk’s. ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/198 "2008-11-12T06:22:09Z")
> [@BuickGN](#): > > done thx kev \<3 ---
**Author:** ![RobHimself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e480ec/32.png) [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/199 "2008-11-12T06:25:02Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > chino’s post \> locutus’s & skunk’s. x2 sorry aaron but hes right, that post was both usless and cried attention whore. Its one thing to have knowledge about that stuff and be sort of heplful with it but its another to be arrogant about it. ---
**Author:** ![SkunkApe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skunkape/32/7575_2.png) [@SkunkApe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SkunkApe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919/200 "2008-11-12T06:26:59Z")
im not saying jons post was needed… im just saying jim’s wasnt any better [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/360-bans/57919.md?page=11)