# 3800 sc performace **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [September 8, 2014, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522 "2014-09-08T08:04:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LUC1F3R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luc1f3r/32/7299_2.png) [@LUC1F3R](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUC1F3R)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/21 "2014-09-09T08:28:45Z")
Damn looks like you broke it good. I’m going to guess you’re going to find a shattered piston and a hole in the block. ---
**Author:** ![svtcobra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@svtcobra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/svtcobra)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/22 "2014-09-09T08:51:58Z")
JB WELD, it’ll be fine, I promise ---
**Author:** ![jay\_g](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jay_g/32/111288_2.png) [@jay\_g](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jay_g)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/23 "2014-09-09T08:54:02Z")
It wont make power past 5500 on stock cam. edit: KR is a bitch. To small of a pulley. A/f wont matter if its knocking. ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/24 "2014-09-09T09:30:02Z")
> [@Wahoo](#): > > I plan to swap a series II 3800 in my buick T-type, such a better motor than the series I’s that are in the grand nationals and turbo buicks. > > cant wait to see what you do! WAT?! gn gn motors can take/make more power by a good bit. ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/25 "2014-09-09T09:35:23Z")
Yeeesshhhhhhhh that’s already pretty ugly! ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/26 "2014-09-09T10:24:27Z")
> [@bpipe95](#): > > WAT?! > > gn gn motors can take/make more power by a good bit. Not what they say on the forum. You have to girdle the block, and they’re expensive. They’re not as strong as the series II engines. There are fast ones for sure, but there are many improvements in the newer series engines. - - - Updated - - - > [@LZ](#): > > lollll what? > > The 3800 is better than the Turbo GN motor?? Stroger block and better flowing heads, I forget all the details but yeah they’re better. Better driveability too. so I need to find a v6 fbody and take the drivetrain lol ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/27 "2014-09-09T11:17:47Z")
The 3800 series II /III are much better. The engines from the FWD to RWD are the same, just different trans and accessories. Matter of fact you can use a NA 3800 with a sc top end, the newer L32 has a gen 5 m90. Can’t wait to pull the heads! ---
**Author:** ![misteroman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/misteroman/32/7423_2.png) [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/28 "2014-09-09T14:52:04Z")
I have a nice running 3800 tpi engine still in a car if anyone is interested. Motor and tranny are nice just underneath is very bad and rusty. 500 for whole car . interior is pretty much perfect too ad it’s lower mileage. 90 or 91 regal I believe ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2014, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/29 "2014-09-09T16:52:01Z")
Gen 1, not a bad price for an entire car though! ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/30 "2014-09-11T20:30:01Z")
She dead. RIP lol. grabbed one of these… ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/2ED9BB5C-72FC-4049-B40C-4988B68A4A19_zpsdnewvnic.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/2ED9BB5C-72FC-4049-B40C-4988B68A4A19_zpsdnewvnic.jpg) Looking at this… ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/89A7F5D0-3044-4473-981D-F490639B63CD_zps8k8mo65w.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/89A7F5D0-3044-4473-981D-F490639B63CD_zps8k8mo65w.jpg) Interesting, blew the valve cover gasket out. ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/2e9c25f3-f2a1-44ac-ba68-7689ee6cf369_zps3265ec8f.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/2e9c25f3-f2a1-44ac-ba68-7689ee6cf369_zps3265ec8f.jpg) Pull off the blower, its full of metal and has some minor damage. ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/24CD98CC-BBFB-46C2-904C-64BE3AD01257_zpsgexohpfu.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/24CD98CC-BBFB-46C2-904C-64BE3AD01257_zpsgexohpfu.jpg) ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/983FB2A3-91BF-4503-85D8-F90FB1149EFC_zpsyejfbwn9.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/983FB2A3-91BF-4503-85D8-F90FB1149EFC_zpsyejfbwn9.jpg) ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/F3FECDA4-90CA-4210-82D4-DC17A43BC6FB_zpsq6qf4kle.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/F3FECDA4-90CA-4210-82D4-DC17A43BC6FB_zpsq6qf4kle.jpg) Lower intake full of metal. ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/E47A3008-5E23-47A0-B8FD-2A11318A438F_zps8cuino3w.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/E47A3008-5E23-47A0-B8FD-2A11318A438F_zps8cuino3w.jpg) ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/79D1A304-7117-4FDA-BA17-E02B955D34EC_zpsa6zcxzvs.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/79D1A304-7117-4FDA-BA17-E02B955D34EC_zpsa6zcxzvs.jpg) All this metal fell out on my driveway. ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/E7F76AF7-79B1-496A-A4C6-6B31B443B35B_zps2w7tjctg.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/E7F76AF7-79B1-496A-A4C6-6B31B443B35B_zps2w7tjctg.jpg) Head isn’t that bad really ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/92384636-9E6B-4E49-9C6F-0559E5A63062_zpsvsmskxs5.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/92384636-9E6B-4E49-9C6F-0559E5A63062_zpsvsmskxs5.jpg) ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/37648A37-1830-43FA-A59F-192C6ECA4F25_zpsiysaeanz.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/37648A37-1830-43FA-A59F-192C6ECA4F25_zpsiysaeanz.jpg) Push rod ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/3BA6CCD6-1BFA-4313-94DD-602C87F8A681_zpsdh0dm4zt.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/3BA6CCD6-1BFA-4313-94DD-602C87F8A681_zpsdh0dm4zt.jpg) Piston? What? Where? ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/21D2034F-FB4F-4EDB-ACCB-D858BAD5B1F0_zpsbtdlxlkd.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/21D2034F-FB4F-4EDB-ACCB-D858BAD5B1F0_zpsbtdlxlkd.jpg) ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/41D65FB2-275C-4C9B-AA63-EFEBAE6B745A_zpsehyzgipi.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/41D65FB2-275C-4C9B-AA63-EFEBAE6B745A_zpsehyzgipi.jpg) Should buff out ![http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/F5390CA3-ACD5-4191-9EA0-ACECF29BB8C0_zps7nhczkbx.jpg](http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk320/ultradriver10000/1994%20Z24%20Cavalier/F5390CA3-ACD5-4191-9EA0-ACECF29BB8C0_zps7nhczkbx.jpg) Sorry for the crappy shots it got dark out. New forged short block with a cam is now required. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/31 "2014-09-12T04:51:17Z")
JB weld and back on road :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/32 "2014-09-12T05:19:06Z")
Turbo it for more surprises lol ---
**Author:** ![jay\_g](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jay_g/32/111288_2.png) [@jay\_g](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jay_g)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/33 "2014-09-12T05:25:39Z")
Don’t waste money on a forged bottom end. ---
**Author:** ![svtcobra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@svtcobra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/svtcobra)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/34 "2014-09-12T05:40:06Z")
LS1 SWAP ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/35 "2014-09-12T07:07:11Z")
![http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/12/kintvsgoro.gif](http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2006/12/kintvsgoro.gif) ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/36 "2014-09-12T07:32:20Z")
[quote=“jay\_g,post:33,topic:270522"”] Don’t waste money on a forged bottom end. [/quote] I found a brand new forged 3800 with cam and ported heads for less then $1000 [quote=“Wahoo,post:32,topic:270522"”] Turbo it for more surprises lol [/quote] The M90 is cheap, and so it a little nitrous. [quote=“LZ,post:31,topic:270522"”] JB weld and back on road :tup: [/quote] I poured JB weld into the beast last week, didn’t seem to help. [quote=“theblue,post:35,topic:270522"”] [/quote] She had WAY more then 0 wins. She had at least 25 Mustang TKOs. LoL She might be together in a couple months who knows. My number one priority right now is getting my 2" primary Kooks and Fast on the Vette. Then new dyno with a 200 shot. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/37 "2014-09-12T07:40:15Z")
Any dyno numbers when this was running? What did AFR look like? ---
**Author:** ![LUC1F3R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luc1f3r/32/7299_2.png) [@LUC1F3R](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUC1F3R)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/38 "2014-09-12T07:51:38Z")
> [@LUC1F3R](#): > > Damn looks like you broke it good. I’m going to guess you’re going to find a shattered piston and a hole in the block. good job 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/39 "2014-09-12T07:53:43Z")
AFR was good 11.8 ish most of the time. No dyno numbers but it was quick for sure. Ran on par with a full bolt on LS1 6 speed car or say a 5.0 with exhaust and tune. ---
**Author:** ![jay\_g](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jay_g/32/111288_2.png) [@jay\_g](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jay_g)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522/40 "2014-09-12T08:49:11Z")
What cam is in the forged block? If I was gonna do another s/c build it would be stock bottom, gen v, intercooler, xpz cam, ported head, headers, 400whp… Or turbo, cam, heads, 500+whp [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3800-sc-performace/270522.md?page=3)