# 3rd gen camaro or 99 LS1?? **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 7, 2006, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654 "2006-12-07T06:12:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/21 "2006-12-08T07:15:35Z")
> [@Calling DISH Network Reps / Techs (DishMover)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/calling-dish-network-reps-techs-dishmover/26379/4): > > I have hours and hours of experience on road race courses in both in stock form and I disagree with this. > > To me the ultimate car (yeah, the 3rd gen interior does suck) is a 3rd gen LS1. I hope to own one myself someday. They feel like the handle better b/c they don’t go as fast…j/k :hsdance: ---
**Author:** ![scott5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e480ec/32.png) [@scott5](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/scott5)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/22 "2006-12-08T08:43:50Z")
> [@Jeff Corwin was almost the next Steve Irwin](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/jeff-corwin-was-almost-the-next-steve-irwin/26363/3): > > yes,did one,its not bad! What was all involved? ---
**Author:** ![Pewter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pewter/32/5936_2.png) [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/23 "2006-12-08T09:05:25Z")
see links posted above or stop in ---
**Author:** ![Orr89rocz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac91a4/32.png) [@Orr89rocz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Orr89rocz)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/24 "2006-12-08T09:11:21Z")
> well i know they arent all that different of a platform, but a '99 z28 will be a stiffer setup and also has wider rims/tires, so how can it not handle better? plus arent the 4th gens alittle wider, so that would probly add to stability? handling isnt necessarily about stiffness, wideness, and tire size. suspension geometery and weight balance is also important. the rear suspension on all 3rd and 4th gens are the same, but the 4th gens have different rack and pinion front end, and thirdgens are macpherson strut. the only thirdgens i’d consider to handle well are the firebird formula, GTA Trans ams, and Irocz. they got the biggest sway bars and stiffest springs. stock sway bars on my car are 36mm/24mm. thats pretty big and it really hugs the road. ---
**Author:** ![Slowmaro95Z28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Slowmaro95Z28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Slowmaro95Z28)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/25 "2006-12-08T10:10:34Z")
I can say from personal experience that 3rd gens definately handle 100% better than a 4th gen. I have a 91 RS and a 95 Z28. I put the exact same suspension work into both cars and the 3rd gen handled better by far. The third gen is also a lot lighter. I read of someone doing an LS1 swap in a 3rd gen and i guess because of the weight difference the 3rd gen ran high 12’s with a stock LS1. Good luck either way. ---
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/26 "2006-12-08T10:54:34Z")
> [@STi \> GTO frowning](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sti-gto/26403/9): > > I can say from personal experience that 3rd gens definately handle 100% better than a 4th gen. . i have a hard time beleiving that. ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/27 "2006-12-08T11:02:55Z")
> [@STi shite fuel gauge or someone syphoning?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sti-shite-fuel-gauge-or-someone-syphoning/26345/16): > > i have a hard time beleiving that. maybe not 100% but i have read it all over, 3rd gens are excellent handlers, and as keith o said(a man that road races all the time) id take his word too ---
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/28 "2006-12-08T12:36:16Z")
Ok I am having a hard time understanding how the 4th gen is heavier than the 3rd gen 3rd Gen Z28 specs L:192.6" W:72.8" H: 50.4" Weight: 3,300 lbs 4th Gen L:193.5" W:74.1" H:51.2" Weight: 3,440 Lbs Thats 140 lbs difference…which isnt much but I would think the 4th gen would be lighter considering the alum block and lighter body materials. Can someone please explain why considering they still are basically the same size? ---
**Author:** ![KeithO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4bbf92/32.png) [@KeithO](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KeithO)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/29 "2006-12-08T14:24:39Z")
> [@first one in the G20!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/first-one-in-the-g20/26393/2): > > well i know they arent all that different of a platform, but a '99 z28 will be a stiffer setup and also has wider rims/tires, so how can it not handle better? plus arent the 4th gens alittle wider, so that would probly add to stability? and then when you figure in the aftermarket, i’d take a 4th gen over a 3rd gen in a second. ive driven a few 3rd gen (though not on a track) and i never though it felt better than any 4th gen ive driven (maybe its because they were only SS’s and WS6s, i dunno) Weight and available front camber in stock form. Also remember, that the 3rd gens that you drove were probably 10 years older than the 4th gens. Bushings, shocks, springs and body structure all get tired with age. I am talking stock and my 4th gen road race car is still a PIG. Interesting enough, I was offered a 3rd gen road race car today for next-to-nothing but I have to go to St. Louis to pick up. I am seriously considering it… ---
**Author:** ![KeithO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4bbf92/32.png) [@KeithO](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KeithO)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/30 "2006-12-08T14:29:28Z")
> [@STi \> GTO frowning](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sti-gto/26403/14): > > Ok I am having a hard time understanding how the 4th gen is heavier than the 3rd gen > > 3rd Gen Z28 specs > L:192.6" W:72.8" H: 50.4" > Weight: 3,300 lbs > > 4th Gen > L:193.5" W:74.1" H:51.2" > Weight: 3,440 Lbs > > Thats 140 lbs difference…which isnt much but I would think the 4th gen would be lighter considering the alum block and lighter body materials. Can someone please explain why considering they still are basically the same size? 100lbs is huge on a road race course. ---
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/31 "2006-12-08T15:31:02Z")
> [@The Rex is coming along...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rex-is-coming-along/26348/24): > > Weight and available front camber in stock form. > > Also remember, that the 3rd gens that you drove were probably 10 years older than the 4th gens. Bushings, shocks, springs and body structure all get tired with age. > > I am talking stock and my 4th gen road race car is still a PIG. Interesting enough, I was offered a 3rd gen road race car today for next-to-nothing but I have to go to St. Louis to pick up. I am seriously considering it… ya, i know 4th gens are a bit sluggish but with the setup i have, i was amazed by how well it worked at auto-x…even my instructor thought it was significantly better than his Z28(also a 4th gen though). i know the 4th gens can be made decent but even stock they feel good to me besides the sluggish feeling. its possible the 3rd gens i drove were just a bit old, but i drove a 91 back when i was 16, so it wasnt 10 years old back then. ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/32 "2006-12-08T18:08:22Z")
I’d be real suprised if you sell your Mustang for $7000. ---
**Author:** ![Orr89rocz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac91a4/32.png) [@Orr89rocz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Orr89rocz)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/33 "2006-12-08T19:20:36Z")
yep, thirdgens handle good…thats why i bought one. i got a great deal on mine. very impressed how it handles. the stock seats tho suck and dont hold you in on hard corners… thats one reason i wanted to do my interior next with good seats from corbeau or so. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@Silver\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver_SS)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/34 "2006-12-08T20:25:03Z")
lsx FTW ---
**Author:** ![Whats\_Missing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a183cd/32.png) [@Whats\_Missing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Whats_Missing)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2006, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/35 "2006-12-08T22:40:01Z")
[http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/ltx-lsx/](http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/ltx-lsx/) Good place to find the information you are looking for about 3rd gen swaps. ---
**Author:** ![Sinner6.0L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sinner6.0l/32/6016_2.png) [@Sinner6.0L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sinner6.0L)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/36 "2006-12-10T16:20:50Z")
irocs look totally badass when all cleaned up ---
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2006, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/37 "2006-12-11T06:44:13Z")
> [@issues with strut rub on your front tires GTOs?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/issues-with-strut-rub-on-your-front-tires-gtos/26411/2): > > 100lbs is huge on a road race course. OK but I am wondering how the 4th gens are that much heavier…considering that they are basically the same size and the 4th gens have way lighter body parts. ---
**Author:** ![Orr89rocz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac91a4/32.png) [@Orr89rocz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Orr89rocz)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2006, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/38 "2006-12-11T08:29:04Z")
> OK but I am wondering how the 4th gens are that much heavier…considering that they are basically the same size and the 4th gens have way lighter body parts i think it has to do with the frame. they are abit bigger…not by much but they are wider and longer by an inch or two. haha, but i guess the weight lies in the frame. cuz the rear suspension is the same. the front however is different. probly extra weight due to the different front design. and how heavy is a T56 over a 700r4? ---
**Author:** ![scott5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e480ec/32.png) [@scott5](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/scott5)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/39 "2006-12-12T06:17:33Z")
i think i am going with a 3rd gen with a lsx swap. Its just something you dont see everyday and will be a hit at the parking lot and get some looks at a car cruise or show… ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2006, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654/40 "2006-12-12T09:01:38Z")
> [@WTB: Integra parts](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-integra-parts/26448/14): > > i think i am going with a 3rd gen with a lsx swap. Its just something you dont see everyday and will be a hit at the parking lot and get some looks at a car cruise or show… another car with a chevy engine, I don’t think anyone will notice. 😃 just about every car at shows anymore have chebbie engines, even most fords. If you want to be different you may want to try something else. good luck on your project. 🍺 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3rd-gen-camaro-or-99-ls1/186654.md?page=3)