# 5/24/08 - OFFICIAL NYSpeed Spring BBQ @ Dunnville Autodrome **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 22, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266 "2008-01-22T16:10:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/41 "2008-01-23T07:44:21Z")
I want to go, but i have many issues to work out with my focus. as it stands, i cant make it there without worrying about overheating so that shit needs to be addressed before i commit to going. ---
**Author:** ![9ONA3OOZX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9ona3oozx/32/7242_2.png) [@9ONA3OOZX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9ONA3OOZX)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/42 "2008-01-23T07:48:02Z")
who determines experienced from beginner drivers? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/43 "2008-01-23T07:51:10Z")
how could anyone prefer TMP to dunnville? There is only like 3 turns on the entire track at TMP… it’s 90% straight away. (club circuit or training circuit, not combined) Shannonville i can see as being a better track than dunnville, but TMP is ghey + the wall… ---
**Author:** ![Harvey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/harvey/32/5069_2.png) [@Harvey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Harvey)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/44 "2008-01-23T08:05:28Z")
TMP \< Dunnville normal direction TMP \> Dunnville reverse direction I’ll be there regardless. ---
**Author:** ![micah](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/micah/32/7257_2.png) [@micah](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/micah)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/45 "2008-01-23T08:25:10Z")
i want to take PICS ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/46 "2008-01-23T08:37:52Z")
> [@badnewsmini](#): > > if I get the clutch in the evo I’d like to go… The wifey said she would go… So would it be 100 for me with the evo then 20 for her? And would she be aloud to take the car out or would she have to pay 100 to drive even tho it would be same car? She will have to pay extra to be added as a driver to your car. How much, I don’t know yet. But I’ll figure that out. > [@Joe](#): > > Are SUV’s allowed at the track? I wonder how bad i would embarass myself taking the flying brick there Sorry man, but that’s one thing we can’t allow. > [@90NA300ZX](#): > > who determines experienced from beginner drivers? A beginer driver is anyone who has never been to Dunnville before, even if they have some experience with Auto-X, etc. All beginers should ride along with someone who has driven Dunnville before (experienced drivers) at least for a few laps. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/47 "2008-01-23T08:41:10Z")
The only thing I don’t like about Dunnville is that tire sander “grand bend” or what ever they call it. Other than that in my opinion Dunnville \> TMP. Sounds like fun but I don’t want to commit just yet. Waiting to see what comes up at Mosport this year because I haven’t run there. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/48 "2008-01-23T08:50:52Z")
☹ ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/49 "2008-01-23T09:39:10Z")
> [@EvoMR](#): > > I vote for raw time only. No classing 😉 Raw laps, no timing needed. Trip odometers get reset @ 5 pm, highest mileage by 7 pm wins. (and not interested, just instigating as usual) ---
**Author:** ![9ONA3OOZX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9ona3oozx/32/7242_2.png) [@9ONA3OOZX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9ONA3OOZX)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/50 "2008-01-23T09:42:56Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > A beginer driver is anyone who has never been to Dunnville before, even if they have some experience with Auto-X, etc. All beginers should ride along with someone who has driven Dunnville before (experienced drivers) at least for a few laps. so according to this definition, since i’ve participated in a dunnville event as a driver, then at another as a flagger/passenger/spectator, i’ll most likely be lapping with the “experienced” drivers? i’d be happy about that… i know the same can be said for everybody, but i really dont want a n00b to smack my car and then since it’s on a track, have me be responsible for paying out of pocket… ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/51 "2008-01-23T10:00:00Z")
> [@bing](#): > > how could anyone prefer TMP to dunnville? > > There is only like 3 turns on the entire track at TMP… it’s 90% straight away. (club circuit or training circuit, not combined) > > Shannonville i can see as being a better track than dunnville, but TMP is ghey + the wall… ![http://www.torontomotorsportspark.com/raceway/artwork/atrackbig.jpg](http://www.torontomotorsportspark.com/raceway/artwork/atrackbig.jpg) i count 13 turns. only running half the track would be pretty gay and pointless. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/52 "2008-01-23T10:00:35Z")
There has NEVER been an issue at Dunnville with car to car contact. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s extremely unlikely. As with any track day though, there is a chance of someone having an off, etc, etc. We’ve selected Dunnville due to it’s beginer friendly nature, we want more people to be involved with the sport without worrying about having something get messed up on their car. Once we get an idea of the people who are signed up and paid we’ll group people in experienced vs beginner for the morning sessions. It’s going to be a combination of driver skill, experience at dunnville, experience in motorsport, and prep level of the car. Despite having been to Dunnville before, it is possible that in the morning run groups, you could be put in the slower category. Depending on who signs up. We’ll play it by ear when we have a final attendance list right before the event. As per the TMP vs Dunnville discussion, Josh nailed it on the head. The only thing I have to add is that not only is TMP more expensive, but it’s farther away (by 20 miles), has less room for cars in the road course area, has a large wall that limits pushing it in the final turn, and has an inferior layout (except _gasp_ it has longer straightaways). Oh yeah, and the biggest issue, a 98db limit, keeping in mind a stock e46 330i hit 90db. Whereas the only req. at Dunnville is that you have a muffler and or resonator of “some sort”. TMP is an 11 turn roadcourse. You dont turn for the jog they show on the map between 6 and 7. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/53 "2008-01-23T10:04:29Z")
> [@90NA300ZX](#): > > i know the same can be said for everybody, but i really dont want a n00b to smack my car and then since it’s on a track, have me be responsible for paying out of pocket… even when out with the n00bs, any experienced driver will control the pace of their car in relation to others so this should never be a concern. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/54 "2008-01-23T10:08:34Z")
> [@MicaH](#): > > i want to take PICS :tup: Hope you attend man. ---
**Author:** ![Coldaccord](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/coldaccord/32/7272_2.png) [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/55 "2008-01-23T10:15:04Z")
I’ve never been to dunnville but please don’t put me in the beginner group! ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/56 "2008-01-23T10:20:53Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > As per the TMP vs Dunnville discussion, Josh nailed it on the head. The only thing I have to add is that not only is TMP more expensive, but it’s farther away (by 20 miles), has less room for cars in the road course area, has a large wall that limits pushing it in the final turn, and has an inferior layout (except _gasp_ it has longer straightaways). Oh yeah, and the biggest issue, a 98db limit, keeping in mind a stock e46 330i hit 90db. Whereas the only req. at Dunnville is that you have a muffler and or resonator of “some sort”. TMP is an 11 turn roadcourse. You dont turn for the jog they show on the map between 6 and 7. i wasnt implying that TMP would be a better choice, just that i had more fun there. i understand the reasoning behind choosing dunnville. all i was saying is maybe you guys should try a different track. every nyspeed organized track day has been at dunnville. maybe try mixing it up a bit? id love to join you guys one of these times but i really have no interest in running dunnville. ---
**Author:** ![jrod0187](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@jrod0187](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jrod0187)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/57 "2008-01-23T10:20:53Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > As per the TMP vs Dunnville discussion, Josh nailed it on the head. The only thing I have to add is that not only is TMP more expensive, but it’s farther away (by 20 miles), has less room for cars in the road course area, has a large wall that limits pushing it in the final turn, and has an inferior layout (except _gasp_ it has longer straightaways). Oh yeah, and the biggest issue, a 98db limit, keeping in mind a stock e46 330i hit 90db. Whereas the only req. at Dunnville is that you have a muffler and or resonator of “some sort”. TMP is an 11 turn roadcourse. You dont turn for the jog they show on the map between 6 and 7. Weird, I scored a 108db when I went with the TSC crew. I still was able to race just in a different run group. I’m not bashing on Dunnville, I can run that course once a year and I get bored, as per TMP I like very much. It all comes down to personal taste. ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/58 "2008-01-23T13:53:38Z")
Dunnville seems like a much better course for new people. Lots of run off room, if you make a mistake the likely hood of damage is minimal. Plus more track to run with and more people at once. The wall on TMP plus the bumps on the last turn (assuming they are still there) could be a factor say if someone new hits that turn a bit too fast, or has a poor suspension setup that results in the car bouncing and losing traction. An At Dunnville really the two biggest issues are the 90 degree turn after the first long sweeping turn, and the last section which a lot of newbies have issues with taking a correct line. But even then if you come in way to fast, or are way off line you have a ton of run off space, and area to correct/prepare for run-off should something happen. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/59 "2008-01-23T14:09:18Z")
I only count 6, maybe 7 turns from a driver’s perspective. (by that I mean the number of times I really need to setup and turn in). Plus, having driven it a little I thought it was boring and dangerous… a good way to just burn off gas, brakes, tires without getting much for your money. > [@d3x](#): > > ![http://www.torontomotorsportspark.com/raceway/artwork/atrackbig.jpg](http://www.torontomotorsportspark.com/raceway/artwork/atrackbig.jpg) > > i count 13 turns. only running half the track would be pretty gay and pointless. ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266/60 "2008-01-23T14:28:47Z")
I’m down for the bbq and driving. I’ll be taking the wrx so if anyone wants to go up and doesn’t have a ride, I’ll have two extra seats. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-24-08-official-nyspeed-spring-bbq-dunnville-autodrome/42266.md?page=4)