# 5 lug conversion, S13 front suspension question... **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [April 10, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857 "2004-04-10T17:52:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/1 "2004-04-10T17:52:22Z")
Hey guys, I might be getting an S13 soon, so I’m researching about the 5 lug conversion. The main question comes down to this: After the 5 lug conversion, how can I still use the S13 syspension components up front? I am asking because the S14 front spindle mounts differently to the front struts than the S13 front spindle. The S14 front bolts are bigger and will require that the S13 front strut mounting holes to be enlarged. Is this correct? Thanks for shedding any light on this. ---
**Author:** ![JoShYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@JoShYo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoShYo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/2 "2004-04-10T22:04:50Z")
Sport compact car actually did a pretty good write up on this for their project Silvia, check it out here… [http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0211scc\_projsilvia/index.html](http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0211scc_projsilvia/index.html) 1. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/3 "2004-04-10T23:11:01Z")
Here is another good Link for ya [http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/january03/240sx/](http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/january03/240sx/) ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/4 "2004-04-10T23:13:52Z")
Cool. thanks guys!!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dnash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@dnash](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dnash)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2004, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/5 "2004-04-11T05:35:01Z")
I don’t know if this will help much. [http://forums.son240sx.ca/viewtopic.php?t=2290](http://forums.son240sx.ca/viewtopic.php?t=2290) ---
**Author:** ![boMex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@boMex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boMex)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2004, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/6 "2004-04-11T10:24:18Z")
AFAIK only me and the PASMag car are running the 5 lug swap in ONT. You use the S13 suspension and the S14 bolt’s. Enlarge the holes as neatly as possible. I used the entire S14 upright and needed to switch to the S14 front ball joint. ---
**Author:** ![JoShYo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@JoShYo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoShYo)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/7 "2004-04-11T16:15:24Z")
…just to add to that, as it mentions in the SCC article, you must use S14 ball joints. Even though the S13 ball joints look the same, theyre not, and if you use them they could fail while youre on the road. ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/8 "2004-04-11T19:09:18Z")
> [@JoShYo](#): > > …just to add to that, as it mentions in the SCC article, you must use S14 ball joints. Even though the S13 ball joints look the same, theyre not, and if you use them they could fail while youre on the road. Cool… thanks man! I have all those parts, but do you know if I have to enlarge the holes on the S13 struts to fit the S14 strut mount bolts through it? ---
**Author:** ![sidewaze](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sidewaze/32/5497_2.png) [@sidewaze](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sidewaze)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2004, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/9 "2004-04-11T22:56:56Z")
> [@Souljourner](#): > > Hey guys, > > I might be getting an S13 soon, so I’m researching about the 5 lug conversion. > > The main question comes down to this: > > After the 5 lug conversion, how can I still use the S13 syspension components up front? I am asking because the S14 front spindle mounts differently to the front struts than the S13 front spindle. > > The S14 front bolts are bigger and will require that the S13 front strut mounting holes to be enlarged. Is this correct? > > Thanks for shedding any light on this. Hey man what’s up. Try this site [www.raretrick.com](http://www.raretrick.com) they sell 5 lug hubs that replace the stock ones. You don’t have to change anything. Pull the 4 lugs out and pop in the 5 lugs. That way you don’t have to worry about what suspension to use because everything remains the same except for the lugs. Well check the site before you make up your mind and good luck. Easy 8) ---
**Author:** ![dnash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@dnash](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dnash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/10 "2004-04-12T04:57:20Z")
I wouldn’t recommend buying anything from Rare Trick. Around the middle of January, I ordered a Kazama Tension rod brace. I paid using my credit card. It is now April and I still haven’t recieved the part. I think you can get the aftermarket 5 lug hubs from Phase 2 Motortrend or you could try emailing the guys at Japan Parts. ---
**Author:** ![sidewaze](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sidewaze/32/5497_2.png) [@sidewaze](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sidewaze)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/11 "2004-04-12T06:36:47Z")
Hey man. Well that sucks big time. You should phone them up and email them about this. I’d do it like every day. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. :lol: . Seroiusly though, bug them untill they send you your order. However your the only one I’v known that this has happen to. Two of my friends ordered from them and had no problem. It is possible they may have lost your order. I highly doubt that they would stay in business ripping people off. You can always go through my buddies JDM store as well if want the whole 5 lug conversion. The 300 zx and R33 front brakes will fit and he can get them in about two weeks. Just look at my post “A new JDM parts store” in Car Chat for all the info. Have a good one. Easy 8) ---
**Author:** ![boMex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@boMex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boMex)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/12 "2004-04-12T10:40:03Z")
> [@Souljourner](#): > > I have all those parts, but do you know if I have to enlarge the holes on the S13 struts to fit the S14 strut mount bolts through it? Sorry I wasn’t more specific in my post John. The four lower mounting holes on each of the front struts must be enlarged to accept the larger S14 bolts. Don’t use the smaller S13 bolts. ---
**Author:** ![GreyGandalf\_S14](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/greygandalf_s14/32/5475_2.png) [@GreyGandalf\_S14](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GreyGandalf_S14)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/13 "2004-04-13T12:48:42Z")
does this mean you aren’t going to sell your lower control arms? a reply would be appreciated. thanks ---
**Author:** ![tendim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tendim/32/3173_2.png) [@tendim](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tendim)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/14 "2004-04-13T21:47:10Z")
> [@Benson240sx](#): > > Here is another good Link for ya > [nissanperformancemag.com](http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/january03/240sx/) The NPM article uses Japanese bolt-on 5-lug hubs. Another source for the hubs is [http://www.tougefactory.com](http://www.tougefactory.com), but last time I checked they said the manufacturer was backordered until mid-May. -10d ---
**Author:** ![blisterd\_nuts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f475e1/32.png) [@blisterd\_nuts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blisterd_nuts)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/15 "2004-05-22T00:37:08Z")
when you do this 5 lug conversions is it just the front wheels or all 4? sorry noob question. ---
**Author:** ![Original\_Nutta](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/original_nutta/32/5474_2.png) [@Original\_Nutta](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Original_Nutta)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/16 "2004-05-22T00:42:29Z")
> [@blisterd\_nuts](#): > > when you do this 5 lug conversions is it just the front wheels or all 4? sorry noob question. Would you want to have a 5lug pair of rims up front and a 4lug pair of rims in the back? It would make buying rims a little more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/17 "2004-05-22T09:18:10Z")
Do not order from TougeFactory Bing almost had a wheel fall off while driving because of their low quality parts. Read his post and you will see. [http://forums.son240sx.ca/viewtopic.php?t=4980](http://forums.son240sx.ca/viewtopic.php?t=4980) ---
**Author:** ![tendim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tendim/32/3173_2.png) [@tendim](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tendim)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/18 "2004-05-22T19:26:56Z")
> [@Original Nutta](#): > > [quote=blisterd\_nuts]when you do this 5 lug conversions is it just the front wheels or all 4? sorry noob question. Would you want to have a 5lug pair of rims up front and a 4lug pair of rims in the back? It would make buying rims a little more difficult.[/quote] Depends on what you can find and what you have at hand. 8) I know some guys that run irregular offsets (e.g,. 16x7 +30 and 16x7 +35 in the rear) for whatever reason. You use what you’re given. Plus, if you have a staggered setup then it wouldn’t really matter. You may only be able to find the offset you need in 5-lug for the rear, which is cheaper in the long run as the Z32 hub is easier to find than the S14 front. ---
**Author:** ![Sm0ke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sm0ke](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sm0ke)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/19 "2004-05-22T20:07:15Z")
I would presume that it is a little more difficult to find the same four rims (design, offset, size) having 5-lug up front and 4 in the back. I believe Adam did it on his car too. ---
**Author:** ![\_M\_aurice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/c5a1d2/32.png) [@\_M\_aurice](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_M_aurice)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857/20 "2004-05-22T20:17:58Z")
> [@tendim](#): > > [quote=Original Nutta][quote=blisterd\_nuts]when you do this 5 lug conversions is it just the front wheels or all 4? sorry noob question. Would you want to have a 5lug pair of rims up front and a 4lug pair of rims in the back? It would make buying rims a little more difficult.[/quote] Depends on what you can find and what you have at hand. 8) I know some guys that run irregular offsets (e.g,. 16x7 +30 and 16x7 +35 in the rear) for whatever reason. You use what you’re given. Plus, if you have a staggered setup then it wouldn’t really matter. You may only be able to find the offset you need in 5-lug for the rear, which is cheaper in the long run as the Z32 hub is easier to find than the S14 front.[/quote] wtf does that have to do with 5 and 4 lug hubs? I can see somewhat what you mean, but Marc’s comment was about lugs, not staggered offsets. :roll: [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-lug-conversion-s13-front-suspension-question/80857.md?page=2)