# '72 F-series project
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441
**Category:** Builds
**Created:** [January 10, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441 "2015-01-10T18:45:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/81 "2015-03-16T14:46:42Z")
You won’t be able to focus unless you pick option 2, you know it’s the right thing to do, but it’s one of those things that sucks until you just do it and life moves forward.
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### Author:  [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/82 "2015-03-16T17:57:46Z")
For real a 5.3 with harness and ecu is ~1k
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### Author:  [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)
#### Post date: [March 16, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/83 "2015-03-16T20:52:08Z")
> [@cougarspeed](#):
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> For real a 5.3 with harness and ecu is ~1k
Not with a t56 behind it. I won’t settle for an auto trans. If I wanted an auto is I would lease new again.
That and it’s so easy to put the 4.6 on the crown Vic suspension. What is save in wiring on an LSx I’d pay for in fab and reinventing the wheel.
I Might just bite the bullet and go option 2, after all I want to keep this truck and legitimately daily drive it and haul shit long distance. Piece of mind can be priceless
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### Author:  [@GV1390](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GV1390)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/84 "2015-03-17T06:03:50Z")
> [@focusinprogress](#):
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> Not with a t56 behind it. I won’t settle for an auto trans. If I wanted an auto is I would lease new again.
Could’ve always gone the cheap route and used an NV-series manual trans…
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Doesn’t look too bad:
[](http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/hackster1/media/IMG_0295_zps1850f454.jpg.html)
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[](http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/hackster1/media/f100%20LS%20Swap/IMG_0219_zps544e55ec.jpg.html)
> **[1968 F100 6.0 ls build - Lateral-g Forums](https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=43485)**
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> 1968 F100 6.0 ls build Project Updates
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### Author:  [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/85 "2015-03-17T06:07:16Z")
no offense but I already have an engine and trans sitting here that I paid $800 for, why would I spend a $1k on a different engine with harness and ecu, then still need to get a trans (even if it’s an NV 5-spd) when I can spend $1000 and get what I have in the truck and working? I also don’t want solid engine mounts, this truck is going to be driven every day, and being able to swap out parts with stuff I can but at advance/autozone/napa is a huge benefit.
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### Author:  [@GV1390](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GV1390)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/86 "2015-03-17T06:09:29Z")
🙂
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### Author:  [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/87 "2015-03-17T07:02:34Z")
Not a chance id pay 1k for a harness is why I suggested an alternative. Unless it was coming attached to a stand alone ecu.
So if we are still picking options. Whichever one = repairing the current harness.
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/88 "2015-03-17T07:38:07Z")
Fixing the current harness still doesn’t solve the issue with not having the PATS module and needing the original to match the ECU. He may be able to buy a new PATS module and key, but then the ECU needs to be programmed for it.
What about repairing the current harness and then sending the ECM to Ron Francis to have the PATS deleted? ECM reprogram is $350, [https://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FORD+ECM+PROG](https://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FORD+ECM+PROG)
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### Author:  [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/89 "2015-03-17T07:52:14Z")
Bummer
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### Author:  [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/90 "2015-03-17T10:39:54Z")
yeah. fuck PATS. so, I can go MS “standalone” with harness for about $750. By with harness, I mean I take what I have and chop it up to make a harness to plug into the MSII V.3 ecu. If I can buy a pre-assembled MS from DIYautotune with a pinout diagram and the ECU pigtail/plug…I might just do that. I’m so mad about this because the whole point of purchasing the drivetrain I did was because I thought I was getting everything I needed to just drop this thing in the truck and turn the key.
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/91 "2015-03-17T11:17:57Z")
With megasquirt, how does it work to get your gauge cluster working?
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### Author:  [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/92 "2015-03-17T12:17:17Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#):
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> With megasquirt, how does it work to get your gauge cluster working?
it doesn’t. the truck has a mechanical cluster, I’ll just run mechanical gauges.
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### Author:  [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/93 "2015-03-17T13:23:32Z")
I think in this case Id go 1 or 2, especially if you’re looking for long term reliability, drivability, and MPG. Going to MS is a huge learning curve and then you’ll need a tune, even for the stock motor which adds more cost.
I dont see why you couldnt repair the current harness (unless a lot is missing, not just cut), get a PATS module and key and move along.
Dan
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### Author:  [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/94 "2015-03-17T15:37:29Z")
@pirite did find out that for $55 he can download the pats program at work and set it up with the ecu, key, and a module. I have no idea how or where to get a 98 mustang gt pats module though.
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Another option might be to run a pre-96 crown Vic harness and ecu because they don’t have PATS.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/95 "2015-03-17T17:48:01Z")
I would make sure you research megasquirt before you go all in I know people run it on LSx drag swaps but when it comes to drive ability/IAC people always suggest the stock PCM.
Not saying that I agree with them or its the case with ford stuff I would just do a fair amount of research first.
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### Author:  [@02NismoSpecV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/02NismoSpecV)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/96 "2015-03-17T18:56:06Z")
> [@focusinprogress](#):
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> @**[pirite](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=4783)** did find out that for $55 he can download the pats program at work and set it up with the ecu, key, and a module. I have no idea how or where to get a 98 mustang gt pats module though.
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> Another option might be to run a pre-96 crown Vic harness and ecu because they don’t have PATS.
there are a 96 and 97 mustang at m and m. cant remember if they are a v6 or v8 though
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### Author:  [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/97 "2015-03-17T21:39:03Z")
> [@02NismoSpecV](#):
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> there are a 96 and 97 mustang at m and m. cant remember if they are a v6 or v8 though
I was there saturday, both were v6 auto ☹
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### Author:  [@38stang](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/38stang)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/98 "2015-03-17T21:45:12Z")
Option [#4](http://www.nyspeed.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4) , bug the crap out of the guy for the key that he keeps being too lazy too send you since you found you have the mustang PATS box today 😉
Then make it awd.
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### Author:  [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2015, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/99 "2015-03-18T07:20:36Z")
> [@38stang](#):
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> Option [#4](http://www.nyspeed.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4) , bug the crap out of the guy for the key that he keeps being too lazy too send you since you found you have the mustang PATS box today 😉
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> Then make it awd.
hahaha. yeah, I sent him another message this morning…so far no response. I wonder if the code on the PATS module paired with the ECU code could be used for a locksmith to program a key…Luke says he can do the key programming for $55 but I might have to be able to turn the key to the on position with everything hooked up, which means waiting until I have everything together and towing it to his work.
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [March 18, 2015, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/72-f-series-project/271441/100 "2015-03-18T07:26:10Z")
I still don’t understand why you don’t repair the harness yourself and pay $350 to get the PATS delete done. I am sure that members here like Luke L would help you on harness repair. There is probably a bunch of crap that you can delete from the current harness. Repair the breaks correctly, re-loom it and move on.
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