# 8/13 autocross - BIMP
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [August 7, 2006, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600 "2006-08-07T05:56:34Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2006, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/61 "2006-08-14T15:27:02Z")
ever since stephen hit the wall, I have been gun shy on that turn.
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### Author:  [@RobY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobY)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2006, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/62 "2006-08-14T16:03:34Z")
> [@rushman](#):
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> If you want to become a better driver, stay of r-comps longer. Race tires to a very good job of hiding mistakes.
Plus, R-comps are expensive LOL. Im gonna stay in the STU class for the rest of this season until probably next season so Im thinking Azenis RT-615’s for my next set.
My current set of ST-115’s are great for the road and daily driving but they are rather slick especially now that they are worn in.
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### Author:  [@RobY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobY)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2006, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/63 "2006-08-14T18:59:01Z")
Alright who’s holding out on the videos… I saw more than 1 camera that day.
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### Author:  [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/64 "2006-08-14T20:37:22Z")
> [@sureshot007](#):
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> ever since stephen hit the wall, I have been gun shy on that turn.
Ya know, I figured I would be, but I found myself attacking the course harder than I planned. The car just makes it too easy to do. Even in the left-right combo in front of the grandstands where I never feel too comfortable, I was rotating the car pretty hard in the first turn and then powering all the way through the second.
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### Author:  [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2006, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/65 "2006-08-14T21:07:54Z")
> [@neurokinetik](#):
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> Ya know, I figured I would be, but I found myself attacking the course harder than I planned. The car just makes it too easy to do. Even in the left-right combo in front of the grandstands where I never feel too comfortable, I was rotating the car pretty hard in the first turn and then powering all the way through the second.
thats exactly what i did in the subaru when i had it and i knew if i took the honda there it would be the same and i didnt want to risk hurting that car there.
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### Author:  [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/66 "2006-08-15T04:05:41Z")
I only had issues with the yeoh turn on my first 2 runs. I had Mike P ride with me, he gave me a few pointers, nothing major, but it helped. I dropped 2 seconds on the day.
The left right is a ton of fun 🙂
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/67 "2006-08-15T04:42:33Z")
I had a real problem with that left-right. The tires were getting greasy, and I couldn’t carry the speed I wanted to through there. And I didn’t want to end up in the grid like the orange camaro.
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### Author:  [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/68 "2006-08-15T05:17:00Z")
I was never concerned about missing the left, and I was trying to just lift for the right. Towards the end of the day, the first left at the bottom was part throttle, no brakes. The left to go up the hill wasn’t much braking either, far far from the huge stab I used to take there.
One of the biggest things that shaved time though was slowing down for the finish and not trying to fight the car in there.
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### Author:  [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/69 "2006-08-15T07:09:35Z")
> [@sureshot007](#):
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> I had a real problem with that left-right. The tires were getting greasy, and I couldn’t carry the speed I wanted to through there. And I didn’t want to end up in the grid like the orange camaro.
Same here. I know that left-right is more deceptive than it first seems (I have seen more cars come off the track there than any place else). I tried to push it a little harder through there on each run, but I still could have been a lot faster in general.
I was just excited to hit third gear in an autocross for the first time on the straightaway.
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### Author:  [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/70 "2006-08-15T07:55:41Z")
> [@Silver](#):
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> Same here. I know that left-right is more deceptive than it first seems (I have seen more cars come off the track there than any place else). I tried to push it a little harder through there on each run, but I still could have been a lot faster in general.
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> I was just excited to hit third gear in an autocross for the first time on the straightaway.
NCCC can get pretty quick too depending on how they have the course set up, at BIMP i was almost topping out third.
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### Author:  [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/71 "2006-08-15T08:00:38Z")
You probably wasted a little time actually shifting to 3rd. That thing should do about 65 at the rev limiter in second right?
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### Author:  [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/72 "2006-08-15T08:33:27Z")
about 60. on the long straight i definitely had to shift i hit the redline in second by the crest of the hill and that was slow cause i had a hard time keeping the revs up around the turn at the bottom of the track. the shorter straight that went along by the bleachers i just bounced it off the limiter cause shifting would have definitely not have been needed.
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### Author:  [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/73 "2006-08-15T08:54:21Z")
We haven’t had any real super fast nccc courses this year. If you want fast, make sure you make it out to our event at SeAD on the 27th :snky:
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### Author:  [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/74 "2006-08-15T08:58:33Z")
what do u drive rushman?
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### Author:  [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/75 "2006-08-15T09:24:50Z")
To be honest, I don’t know what speed I hit at the top of second. The only times I really push the car to that point are at an autocross or track event, and those times I’m not looking at my speed.
My first run I stayed in second gear, and didn’t hit the limiter (which is at 6500). The second run I came out of that bottom turn leading into the straight more agressively and hit the limiter for 2-3 bounces. I spoke with one of my instructors to find out if I should be shifting or or letting it bounce a few times like that, and he said that if I was only hitting the limitor that few times then I need to be accelerating more out of the turn and be shifting probably just around the tower, even if that is before I get to the limitor. So, that’s what I was doing… shifting just as I passed the tower into third, even though it wasn’t when I was hitting the line. I have no idea what RPM I was at at that point, because I was pretty intent on watching the course. Granted, I wasn’t IN third for very long (the rest of the course was a solid second gear for me).
Which brings me to a question. No flaming, please. Since this is the first time I’ve actually gotten out of second… as I came around the first 180 turn in the manzas… should I have shifted back into second BEFORE going around the turn, or once I came out of it? And should I have rev matched on the way back down to second? At this event I was rev matching back into second before I started the turn, but I have no idea if this is the best way to handle the vehicle in an autocross situation.
Any suggestions about anything I’ve said would be appreciated 🙂 Always looking to learn more so that I have a fighting chance once I’m out of Novice and competeing against the other A Stockers 8-O
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### Author:  [@RobY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobY)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/76 "2006-08-15T10:08:25Z")
I Always shift before the turn on the straightaway while full on brakes. Heel to toe rev match. Start the turn in 2nd. Take a late Apex off the banking. Then get on the power ASAP.
Thats what I did and I carried unimaginable speed through that banked turn.
In general you should ALWAYS AVOID shifting mid turn cause it upsets the car. And you should not downshift after the turn cause it wastes time when you should be full on gas.
99.9 percent of the time downshifting optimally should occur during full braking before entering a series of turns.
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### Author:  [@dp2387](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dp2387)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/77 "2006-08-15T10:09:40Z")
For Batavia, since you aren’t carrying good speed after the Monza, if it’s under 4 hits on the limiter, I wouldn’t bother shifting to 3rd. I have to shift, but I’ve got short gearing, and a torque curve that pretty low over 5000.
And that said, leading into your next question, it kind of depends who you talk to. I’ve always downshifted before the turns (either way, yes, rev match) but one thing you risk, which I know I’m guilty of is over breaking. But I like it better in RWD cars because you can get throttle over steer to work to your advantage at like ECCN turnarounds. But for faster turns, you probably are better either just carrying the speed and holding on for dear life (which can work too) or downshifting after. Never have had to downshift in the Mini, so I can’t offer a FWD perspective, but I know Dale does it after, and for some reason, I’ve never asked that guy in the Mini, but I seem to remember him doing it before in the MR2
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### Author:  [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/78 "2006-08-15T10:11:25Z")
> what do u drive rushman?
silver camaro in ESP
> shifting question
People develop preferences. To me it depends on when you can get back on the throttle, and how smooth you can make the shift. If you can heel toe, or shift soothly when braking, that is where I do it. Others do it right before they get back on the throttle closer to the apex of the turn. Doing it that way tends to make a rear wheel drive car rotate a bit more, and can be a ‘trick’ in the arsenal. I only do that on pin turns where the approach is very fast and 1st gear is required at exit, which with my car’s low end torque is rare.
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### Author:  [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/79 "2006-08-15T10:15:54Z")
> Start the turn in 2nd. Take a late Apex off the banking.
Im fairly convinced that that is actually not the best way to take that turn, the reason being there is a slow corner before it, then an uphill climb (assuming you are talking about the 2nd monza). You shouldn’t be braking much entering the turn, which means you don’t have enough speed built up to justify adding the distance of taking the ‘racer’s’ line.
I come up the hill into the 2nd monza hugging the inside, hug the inside of the monza as much as I can, and get on the power very very early and let the car carry out to the outside at the downhill exit. This sets you up perfectly for the entrance to the left-right where you really do want a late apex to make the right hander easy.
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### Author:  [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2006, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/8-13-autocross-bimp/15600/80 "2006-08-15T10:22:25Z")
hehe, I read that as ‘start the 2nd turn’ not start the turn in 2nd 🙂 . But what I said about the 2nd monza still stands.
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