# 80 car pileup on the 401 **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [January 25, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388 "2013-01-25T15:03:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![vinny13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@vinny13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vinny13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/21 "2013-01-26T17:29:19Z")
> [@Clutchfire](#): > > I am also aware of the limits of a 240 in the winter and when it snows i don’t drive like a moron… This, with any car. Fuck snow tires. ---
**Author:** ![d3boy2002](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d3boy2002/32/6209_2.png) [@d3boy2002](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3boy2002)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/22 "2013-01-26T18:19:25Z")
problem usually isn’t you, but the guy in front of you who assumes that EVERYONE has $4000 snow tires ---
**Author:** ![vinny13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@vinny13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vinny13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/23 "2013-01-26T19:07:52Z")
Ah another reason I hate snow tires is that they give people a false sense of safety. My friend got a set on his Civic this year, noticed a little difference, and talked about it like he was unstoppable now. I’m sure a lot of regular non-car-enthusiast people react like that too.’ Sure they help, but they’re advertised like the only way you can avoid a collision in the winter is with snow tires, and I think that’s dumb. ---
**Author:** ![AdamKruyff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@AdamKruyff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AdamKruyff)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/24 "2013-01-27T04:48:06Z")
If you’re not born in Canada or haven’t been here for 25 years your not allowed a driver’s licence… There you go problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Clutchfire](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/clutchfire/32/5654_2.png) [@Clutchfire](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Clutchfire)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/25 "2013-01-27T06:10:33Z")
> ``` > problem usually isn't you, but the guy in front of you who assumes that EVERYONE has $4000 snow tires > > ``` Your completely right but again i said no close calls any why? because when it snows I keep extra distance knowing how far it takes me to stop “Know the limits of your car”. This is in the snow by the way because in the dry and cold wet conditions it works as good as any other tire. ---
**Author:** ![Dolph\_KYAS13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c2a13f/32.png) [@Dolph\_KYAS13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dolph_KYAS13)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/26 "2013-01-27T06:12:06Z")
^ Thats a tad racist. no? ---
**Author:** ![a\_ahmed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/a_ahmed/32/5411_2.png) [@a\_ahmed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/a_ahmed)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/27 "2013-01-27T09:09:16Z")
> [@AdamKruyff](#): > > If you’re not born in Canada or haven’t been here for 25 years your not allowed a driver’s licence… There you go problem solved. Most dumb conclusion ever. You think Canadian drivers are good? LMAO. People/general population who think 120km/hr is FAST… and get scared uh huh. Whenver I tell peeps how fast I went on the autobahn they shit their pants. Canadian drivers suck, canadian roads suck, canadian traffic laws suck and are designed to save money/make money, have control over people not better people’s driving or better infrastructure or better flow of traffic or driving conditions. Etc… etc… Oh and about trucks… having a SEPERATE road and highway for them is what would help free up the highway/freeway and also save the roads from being further crumbling destroyed crap holes. The times I drive i see parades of trucks… there is an intelligent solution to everything but our government is not going for what’s best but for what makes most money or saves most money ---
**Author:** ![AdamKruyff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@AdamKruyff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AdamKruyff)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/28 "2013-01-27T09:28:42Z")
> [@Dolph\_KYAS13](#): > > ^ Thats a tad racist. no? Not at all. When you see a lady driving a Pontiac 3000 LE with a Burqa on, doing 90 km/h down the 401 talking on a cell phone with her right indicator on and turning toward the left. ---
**Author:** ![Philly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/philly/32/5748_2.png) [@Philly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Philly)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/29 "2013-01-27T10:01:46Z")
Just so you guys know when you say, “I drive according to weather conditions, blah blah blah” you are basically proving a point. Because your “control speed” is much lower with all seasons as with snow tires. So when you’re control speed is 50km/h, mine is 80-90km/h. So I’ll be behind you saying “get the fuck out of my way you cheap mother fucker” and you make my commute that much longer because I’m stuck behind you’re cheap ass. I’m at the point where went people give me their excuses for why they don’t have snow tires I always think about their financial situation. If they don’t make good money then all I hear coming out of their mouth is “I can’t afford them so this is the excuse I came up with” then if they do have money I just picture them in a total wreak thinking to themselves, damn I shouldn’t have been so cheap cause I would have been ok right now. Snow tires do not cost $4000. I bought a used set of Bridgestone Blizzaks with 10/32nds of tread on Steelies for $400 from kijiji. Is that breaking the bank for anyone? If it is you have to re-think you’re life and go back to school or something. ---
**Author:** ![vinny13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@vinny13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vinny13)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/30 "2013-01-27T12:37:09Z")
> [@Philly](#): > > Because your “control speed” is much lower with all seasons as with snow tires. So when you’re control speed is 50km/h, mine is 80-90km/h. So I’ll be behind you saying “get the fuck out of my way you cheap mother fucker” and you make my commute that much longer because I’m stuck behind you’re cheap ass. Or you could take that fact into consideration, give yourself some extra time, and live with it. Most people with snow tires still drive the same as they would without them anyways. ---
**Author:** ![randy240sx](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/randy240sx/32/5740_2.png) [@randy240sx](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/randy240sx)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/31 "2013-01-27T12:45:36Z")
i dont know why this thread was even made… - just buy a beater with good winters and hope no one smacks into you - and i wish snow removal service was more prompt, like pre-salting before a storm hits -and i agree earlier about drivers redoing a test every 10-15 years, weed out the old and retards -speed limit raise?? one can dream i guess ---
**Author:** ![d3boy2002](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/d3boy2002/32/6209_2.png) [@d3boy2002](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3boy2002)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/32 "2013-01-27T16:06:23Z")
> [@Clutchfire](#): > > Your completely right but again i said no close calls any why? because when it snows I keep extra distance knowing how far it takes me to stop “Know the limits of your car”. This is in the snow by the way because in the dry and cold wet conditions it works as good as any other tire. True, keeping distance works most of the time, but let me share an experience… One day, i was driving to school (I had all-season tires that worked well for me, as I’ve always driven safe in the winter, and kept my distance). All of a sudden, one of those school traffickers (the ones that hold the stop sign and help children walk across the roads) whips out the stop sign when I was clearly not going to have enough space to stop. Without even checking that my car was not about to stop (road was especially slippery there), the guy let the children walk. I had to swerve/threshold brake so damn precisely to not hit the fucking children. Like come on, I was going like 30 km/h, and on decent all-seasons, my car wouldn’t stop and I almost hit like 8 year olds… It’s this kind of shitt mannnn ---
**Author:** ![RED\_LINE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/red_line/32/5656_2.png) [@RED\_LINE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RED_LINE)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/33 "2013-01-27T17:44:39Z")
It’s the drivers, their confidence behind the wheel, and how they are able to read their car & the weather conditions. Doesn’t matter if you have 4x4 or AWD crap, or especially winter tires, MAJORITY of Canadians in General don’t know how to f’n drive nor do they have balls when the road see 1cm of snow. Time & Time again, you don’t need winter tires to get through winter at least not in our major cities if you know how to drive. ---
**Author:** ![Philly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/philly/32/5748_2.png) [@Philly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Philly)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/34 "2013-01-28T05:43:25Z")
> [@vinny13](#): > > Or you could take that fact into consideration, give yourself some extra time, and live with it. > > Most people with snow tires still drive the same as they would without them anyways. No. Good example of what you said there at the end was this morning where there is a valley where it’s probably 8-10% grade on either side on my way to work. Everyone with all seasons on we’re spinning their tires and couldn’t even get up the hill. Everyone with snow tires were passing all those cheap fucks one by one on the wrong side of the road. Oh ya I such a bunch of you fools in the ditch today too. My commute was 10 min longer then it was supposed to be even with all the all season tire driver obstacles. ---
**Author:** ![a\_ahmed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/a_ahmed/32/5411_2.png) [@a\_ahmed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/a_ahmed)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/35 "2013-01-28T08:07:41Z")
Here’s another fact, in parts of Europe there are roads that are remote controlled and HEATED… so no need for garbage salt. But again why would the government EVER want to invest in our country’s infrastructure, it’s sooo much smarter to rob us or imitate america and rob others to serve the elite. > [@AdamKruyff](#): > > Not at all. When you see a lady driving a Pontiac 3000 LE with a Burqa on, doing 90 km/h down the 401 talking on a cell phone with her right indicator on and turning toward the left. You’re an ignorant tool. ignoramuses like yourself thankfully are becoming extinct. ---
**Author:** ![Singh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@Singh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Singh)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/36 "2013-01-28T09:47:29Z")
Snow tires do give you more grip, however most accidents happen because of driver error. “Oh i have more grip because of my tires, i know, i’ll brake later” … All seasons, “O fuck O fuck, slow the fuck down (25 car gap)” Biggest problem isn’t whether people have all seasons or winters. Bald winters or all seasons with a bad driver, regardless of the driver aids, will cause problems. Shit, when i was 17, and first started driving i got my first 240, had 15$ used tires mismatched all around, with a worn the fuck out vlsd, and i still managed to drive around easily in snow storms. Tread depth and driving skill. Unless of course you live in a very hill area, then your stupid retard for not having winter tires, because clearing going uphill and downhill with all the cars weight all seasons will not provide you with the level of grip you need to be confident about not sliding under both accel and deaccel. /rant. ---
**Author:** ![trillex905](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@trillex905](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/trillex905)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/37 "2013-01-28T09:49:09Z")
> [@a\_ahmed](#): > > Bad drivers. > > I nagged years ago about the same shit. It’s not SPEED that’s dangerous, it’s incompetent drivers that don’t know how to react, poor reactions, don’t pay attention, don’t know their limits or their car’s limits, don’t check blind spots, don’t constantly check around them, don’t check into the distance or pay attention to details. Etc… > > My front winter tires are BALD, yet i still manage to drive 120-140 all the way home (I drive long distances go cry me a river), change lanes despite the lined areas being piled with snow. When the tires were brand new it felt almost like driving in the dry… a good set of winter tires makes a HUGE difference… but still the REAL problem the REAL key to snow driving is to know when to give gas and when not to, drive in higher gear as there’s so much slippage, know the limit of your car, brakes, counter steer when car starts pulling the wrong way, not freeze and panic or freak out. I take it for granted, but obviously most people would just panic if the car ‘doesnt’ act how they’re used to. > > Why? Because they are not exposed to ‘unusual’ situations, they don’t know their own car’s limits, they don’t know their limits as most ppl drive like zombies with cruise control anyway. > > Canada needs: > > 1. Better built roads (not pot ridden cracked crap – role model: europe & middle-east… japan… ANYWHERE but north america) ALSO PROPERLY cambered roads, frickin… most roads are so UNEVEN and NOT STRAIGHT… and the roads that curve have OPPOSING CAMBER WTH!!! In europe most roads are designed with PROPER camber so when ur corner it KEEPS u in, in canada the roads are OPPOSINGLY cambered so it THROWS you OUT… terrible! > > 2. No trucks on highway, seperate highway for trucks like in parts of europe. Half the traffic jams during certain times of the day is cause of stupid trucks, with stupid car drivers freaking out, braking, then u get the harmonica effect and BAM ur stuck… can’t see and ppl slow donw too… plus they ruin our shitty roads to be even more shitty > > 3. More intensive, longer, professional driver training (stunts included just like norway). In other words FORCE drivers to experience ice, snow, gravel, skidding, drifting, understeer, oversteer and TEACH THEM how to respond properly. ALSO panic training… so many women, old people, etc… freak ME out… for the way they drive or react… So many people will just SLAM on brakes and wana close their eyes??? What is this?? Panic training is a BIG ONE in canada that would need to be implemented. Some form of autocross training, road racing basics… so people can FEEL the car and road and understand the dynamics that happen… so that in the REAL WORLD they can react properly and be confident! > > -more expensive yes I hate stingy greedy government ripping us off BUT if combined with the ABOVE… (like in europe, germany, holland, norway). People should be failed and failed and denied until they are perfect at checking blind spots, looking out into the distance for details, reactions tested, panic factor tested (I would NEVER allow someone behind a steering wheel with this problem NEVER until they are trained to be totally stone cold calm and only respond in the desired manner with the vehicle rather than shock of mind/body) > > 1. Higher speed limits (my wishful thinking role model: Germany) > > 2. Retesting of licenses just to make sure people are up to standard. FACT: Most immigrants like chinese and indian use CHEAT books to pass and memorize answers then get their own home country immigrants to favour their tests in driver tests. Then either they don’t know shit or they bring their back home bad driving habbits which are kill or be killed, changing lanes on the go without blind spots checking, without signals, etc… > > I’m sure I had more things I nagged about years ago. No none of it will be implemented, higher gas prices, shittier roads that break down even more often with never ending expanding construction and higher speeding tickets and other bs tickets will probably be implemented in the near future. > > Welcome to Canada, I gave up complaining but felt like ranting… I mind my own business now a days as I realize I can’t change anything and keep my cool and just wait till I get home from work patiently enough (driving a total of 150 kilometers on average every day can be a nightmare in GTA traffic). > Bleh > > Edit: > > Chinese drivers suck! Almost all of the guys who almost killed me on the highway by changing without signals or not looking at blind spots or who I witnessed ALMOST hitting someone else but I horned/flashed warned them from that were Chinese. Big conspiracy, but my wife is the witness, every time she was in my car it was always a Chinese person who almost smashed into us \*()@# Hundreds of frickin times already. I’m not racist… but Chinese DO generally all suck at driving unless they do like track days or something but that’s cause those guys are car enthusiasts. > > And for op story, definetely #1 bad drivers #2 shitty rotten dried out heat cycled piece of shit walmart/canadian tire/sears brand ‘all season tires’ > > Studded winter tires should be allowed in ontario and mandatory. > /end rant > … > Most dumb conclusion ever. You think Canadian drivers are good? LMAO. People/general population who think 120km/hr is FAST… and get scared uh huh. Whenver I tell peeps how fast I went on the autobahn they shit their pants. > > Canadian drivers suck, canadian roads suck, canadian traffic laws suck and are designed to save money/make money, have control over people not better people’s driving or better infrastructure or better flow of traffic or driving conditions. Etc… etc… > > Oh and about trucks… having a SEPERATE road and highway for them is what would help free up the highway/freeway and also save the roads from being further crumbling destroyed crap holes. > > The times I drive i see parades of trucks… there is an intelligent solution to everything but our government is not going for what’s best but for what makes most money or saves most money > > Here’s another fact, in parts of Europe there are roads that are remote controlled and HEATED… so no need for garbage salt. But again why would the government EVER want to invest in our country’s infrastructure, it’s sooo much smarter to rob us or imitate america and rob others to serve the elite. Ahmed, that’s what I call a cool story bro. Such a riveting tale, I honestly copy and pasted it to word, saved on my hard drive, backed it up on a jump drive, drove to the bank, put the jump drive in the safe deposit box, and will leave it there until my kids turn about 12 (when they can actually state their age, and ask what it is I’m showing them), when I will pick it up, put it in an old USB drive reader and relay this cool story to them and tell them, “kids, this is what a cool story should look and sound like…not like the stories your generation tells… this is the story of legendary a\_ahmed, drift master beta of the 21st century, who drove very fast on the autobahn…” and then they will then shit their pants as well. i just crank up the music and the bass, it gives you 150% more traction. ---
**Author:** ![Londonmax](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/londonmax/32/5914_2.png) [@Londonmax](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Londonmax)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/38 "2013-01-28T20:44:10Z")
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**Author:** ![s14kouki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@s14kouki](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/s14kouki)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/39 "2013-01-28T21:12:31Z")
Did anyone read other articles? It was a white out… Not to much you can do put pray at that point ---
**Author:** ![Markd1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@Markd1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Markd1)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388/40 "2013-01-29T00:34:06Z")
quite ahmed… so right… especially the driving school part… way to easy to get a licence and all they teach you is the rules of the road not how to drive. We should also have winter licences so you cant drive in the snow unless you know how to lol. I also wish for a fast lane licence that gives special permissions to people with high level licences and cars fit for speed… but thats just a dream lol. Side note… my friend sells lots of fwd cars to awd die hards just with this quote “the $4000 you save on a fwd you can buy winter tires and stop faster than the awd you want to buy”… most people need an explanation but even if they are dimly lit they will understand and usually change the way they view awd “safety” more like awd “traction!”… I suppose you could move out of the way faster if you had winters and awd… but thats a long shot on safety… I say new pole on how much safer is awd… rwd + top of the line winters vs. awd with new oem all seasons… Hmm Im thinking this one may be pretty close to argue. I wonder if having engine brakes on all wheels helps at all? probably not when you can lock em up with 10% force. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/80-car-pileup-on-the-401/228388.md?page=3)