# 93+Meth vs. C16.
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676
**Category:** Shift518 Automotive
**Created:** [September 9, 2009, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676 "2009-09-09T06:05:50Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@kramerbuccs24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kramerbuccs24)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/21 "2009-09-09T19:12:18Z")
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eighty
five
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### Author:  [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/22 "2009-09-10T04:27:37Z")
hi, im bueller, and i run 27-28psi, 30r on pump gas, no methamphetamines, k thnx bai.
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### Author:  [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/23 "2009-09-10T04:31:04Z")
The Evo guys are known to run 0 degrees of timing, or even -1 at full boost. YES, you read that right.
A little secret…an engine will make the most power on the LEAST amount of octane that it requires so it won’t detonate.
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### Author:  [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/24 "2009-09-10T04:35:11Z")
> [@FS:4th gen prelude Leather Seats](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-4th-gen-prelude-leather-seats/22705/6):
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> The Evo guys are known to run 0 degrees of timing, or even -1 at full boost. YES, you read that right.
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> A little secret…an engine will make the most power on the LEAST amount of octane that it requires so it won’t detonate.
conservative tuning for pump fuel :lol
and yes, find the point of knock, and back it off until it stops. not a hard concept to follow.
im not a huge meth fan, sure i could use it, run my race map all day long, but i just dont want to risk of that pump failing on me. sure my fuel pump coudl die and do just as much damage. but i wouldnt feel as bad.
people always say they just want meth for the cooling properties, and " im not going to tune for it, no added timing" and what happens? they throw a ton of timing towards it and have a 93+ meth tune on the car. then the pump fails. i know this why?? we did that to alot of evos, and what happened?? snow performance pump failed, and the “fail safe” failed as well :banghead
^ car was my roomates FP green evo 8. the pump failed at a 75/25% mix, whatever happened, who knows, lucked out, and only lifted the head, nothing melted… it was approx a 10% fail rate for us, but still, enough to scare me away
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### Author:  [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/25 "2009-09-10T04:47:04Z")
> [@WTHIRE: truck and trailer to pick up a junk car in wingdale, ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wthire-truck-and-trailer-to-pick-up-a-junk-car-in-wingdale-ny/22826/2):
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> conservative tuning for pump fuel :lol
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> and yes, find the point of knock, and back it off until it stops. not a hard concept to follow.
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> im not a huge meth fan, sure i could use it, run my race map all day long, but i just dont want to risk of that pump failing on me. sure my fuel pump coudl die and do just as much damage. but i wouldnt feel as bad.
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> people always say they just want meth for the cooling properties, and " im not going to tune for it, no added timing" and what happens? they throw a ton of timing towards it and have a 93+ meth tune on the car. then the pump fails. i know this why?? we did that to alot of evos, and what happened?? snow performance pump failed, and the “fail safe” failed as well :banghead
>
> ^ car was my roomates FP green evo 8. the pump failed at a 75/25% mix, whatever happened, who knows, lucked out, and only lifted the head, nothing melted… it was approx a 10% fail rate for us, but still, enough to scare me away
Parts can (and do) fail, but in most cases it’s operator error/neglect/etc. My system gets the pump replaced each year, pressure monitering on the nozzles, gets op’s checked before each use, electrical connections per AC 43.13-1B, Chapter 11 (aircraft spec), tank level is visually checked often, etc
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### Author:  [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/26 "2009-09-10T05:13:11Z")
> [@TurboTravis"](#):
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> Parts can (and do) fail, but in most cases it’s operator error/neglect/etc. My system gets the pump replaced each year, pressure monitering on the nozzles, gets op’s checked before each use, electrical connections per AC 43.13-1B, Chapter 11 (aircraft spec), tank level is visually checked often, etc
well then… I guess…
E
Eighty
Five
for me lol
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### Author:  [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/27 "2009-09-10T05:21:23Z")
> [@X-box live gamertag thread\*\*edited with list\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/x-box-live-gamertag-thread-edited-with-list/22265/246):
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> well then… I guess…
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> E
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> Eighty
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> Five
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> for me lol
Yeah more people down there should be taking advantage of it for sure.
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### Author:  [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/28 "2009-09-10T05:23:04Z")
> [@Suzuki ltz400 Race Atv For Sale Or Trade!!! -](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suzuki-ltz400-race-atv-for-sale-or-trade/22830/4):
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> Yeah more people down there should be taking advantage of it for sure.
down there? where are you right now, Nova Scotia?
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### Author:  [@deadbeatrec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deadbeatrec)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/29 "2009-09-10T05:24:55Z")
aquamist is the best shit out there. i had there HSF-1 system on the evo and it was the tits!!!
everything mechanical has a chance to fail. shit ur wheels could fall off.
i have yet to see an aquamist system fail.
methanol effectively slows down the burn while cooling the charge more. more timing and boost and u are 🙂
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### Author:  [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/30 "2009-09-10T05:27:03Z")
I’m pretty sure with the aem ems you can have triggers or switches so if the pump fails, or pressure in the system drops, the map changes, or the boost is cut.
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### Author:  [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/31 "2009-09-10T09:58:10Z")
> [@Windows Vista....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/windows-vista/21686/16):
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> I’m pretty sure with the aem ems you can have triggers or switches so if the pump fails, or pressure in the system drops, the map changes, or the boost is cut.
That’s how the Aquamist failsafe works. When the system detects lower flow, no flow, pump failure, low fluid level, it hits the failsafe, which brings you down to wastegate pressure. Hence me only being able to run .9-1 bar right now, instead of 1.4-1.5.
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### Author:  [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)
#### Post date: [September 10, 2009, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-meth-vs-c16/246676/32 "2009-09-10T10:53:52Z")
> [@TurboTravis"](#):
>
> Parts can (and do) fail, but in most cases it’s operator error/neglect/etc. My system gets the pump replaced each year, pressure monitering on the nozzles, gets op’s checked before each use, electrical connections per AC 43.13-1B, Chapter 11 (aircraft spec), tank level is visually checked often, etc
yeah man, pump seized, this was in 06, car was bought in 05, snow performance stage 2. it was under a year old, things happen. head was checked, new studs, gasket, timing belt. removed failsafe since it was faulted, new pump.game on.
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