# A Look at the War and What is at Stake. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 18, 2007, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247 "2007-01-18T11:56:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/41 "2007-01-18T20:49:08Z")
IMO the biggest threat to our American way of life is the fact that we’re letting our cowboy government run fucking wild. We declared war on Iraq to enforce a UN resolution even though the UN itself said “not yet.” We demanded that the government do something to make us feel safe again so we were quickly sold on the idea because at least it was something. Granted it made no sense, but shoot now ask questions later. Then there’s the Patriot Act. We gave the government permission to tap our phone lines, read our mail, and arrest people without warrant. Let me repeat: WE GAVE THE GOVERNMENT PERMISSION TO ARREST PEOPLE WITHOUT WARRANT. We sold out. We traded in our freedom for our protection. This flies in the face of the principles that our nation is based on. Times like these when we feel the most threatened are the times that we need to cling tight to our founding principles, not trade them in for a sense of security. We have spent 6 years with a very weak leader in office. I hope to God that when Bush is done we see 20 years of strong leaders in office. Leaders with vision and conscience, that can work to restore us to the land of the free and the home of the brave rather than the land of the rich that want to feel safe. 20 years from now we aren’t going to be the #1 economic superpower. No way. We’ll be #3 behind China and India. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t still be the greatest place to live. I just hope to God that Bush doesn’t do any more damage for the duration of his term. He’s already degraded our founding principles and turned much of the world against us. But at least we feel safer, right? We’re not, but at least we feel that way… Just for the record, I’m the first person to claim that this is the greatest country on the planet in which to live. We’re just going through a very dark time where we seem to have lost our way in the face of a new enemy. Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to go dig up FDR and clone him… ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/42 "2007-01-18T21:13:55Z")
hahahah agreed FDR FTW…however don’t forget we had alot of the same issues with FDR as well. Alot of his policies were aimed at containing possible problems. Japanese American Concentration camps, wire tapping, FBI run amok etc. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/43 "2007-01-18T21:37:26Z")
We need another James K. Polk. ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/44 "2007-01-18T23:09:19Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > My last post in this thread. > > We will lose this war, for the simple fact that we’re treating it as a police action, not a war. In war you kill your enemy, and if your enemy hides within a civilian population, that civilian population dies. That’s war. In WWII we killed almost 2 million CIVILIANS in Germany alone. Does this suck? Yes, but that’s war. > > In Iraq, a single bomb is off by 10 feet, killing 5 civilians, and the world protests for weeks. The whole system of rules of engagement we’re following over there was drafted by the PC world, and is fundimentally flawed. > > So fuck it, pull all our troops out, let the country implode on itself, and in 10 years when it’s 10x more dangerous hopefully the new rules will allow us to have a real war. > [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > However, as an aside, anybody watch Munich? It is currently on HBO On Demand. Thanks for the heads up, been meaning to watch that. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woody/32/7191_2.png) [@woody](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woody)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/45 "2007-01-18T23:47:14Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > . :tup: this thread really opened my eyes to how serious the war is. i defiantly agree with “its war. you give up freedoms in war for security.” you fight to win, not try to keep everybody happy. the PC shit needs to stop. if profiling pisses the muslims off more, oh well. we have a war to win. the fact is, the people organizing the attacks on us are muslim and the ones setting off bombs / taking over planes are muslim. thats all the reason we need to profile. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/46 "2007-01-18T23:49:00Z")
WHOA there is a war going on?! ---
**Author:** ![Treads4Heads](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/treads4heads/32/7416_2.png) [@Treads4Heads](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Treads4Heads)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/47 "2007-01-19T00:04:47Z")
I think Violater is a terrorist, but t-up for at least standing up for what you belive in when so many back down at the hint of any opposition. +1 karma ---
**Author:** ![Jagermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jagermeister](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jagermeister)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/48 "2007-01-19T02:46:47Z")
I blame this shitty war on the media. They fuck everything up. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/49 "2007-01-19T05:46:05Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > hahahah agreed FDR FTW…however don’t forget we had alot of the same issues with FDR as well. Alot of his policies were aimed at containing possible problems. Japanese American Concentration camps, wire tapping, FBI run amok etc. No no… Bush invented all those attrocities. No other president has ever done anything like that in times of war. Never. That’s what the daily show told me and they are my #1 source for news, right behind the Onion and NY Times. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/50 "2007-01-19T05:48:54Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > I blame this shitty war on the media. They fuck everything up. they were definately the arsons laughing with a can of gas ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/51 "2007-01-19T14:53:03Z")
Libereals:baby: W for another turn! ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247/52 "2007-01-19T14:56:08Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > Libereals:baby: > W for another turn! YIKES!! [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-look-at-the-war-and-what-is-at-stake/23247.md?page=2)