# A.M.E.C. Economy Run - Fonda, NY 8-23-09 **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [July 1, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162 "2009-07-01T19:29:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/1 "2009-07-01T19:29:03Z")
![http://www.icerace.com/images/amecgold2-140x140.jpg](http://www.icerace.com/images/amecgold2-140x140.jpg) A few here made it out for last October’s run, so here’s the info for this years event: **_What_** : Fuel mileage contest through the southern Adirondacks of NY. The route will be on really scenic and challenging roads [mild grades] and will run approx. 94 miles in distance. Your “economic” driving ability will be tested. Cars will be filled with fuel by an AMEC official and be sent off at one minute intervals. There will be a time limit to complete the run. Any street legal vehicle is allowed to participate, [including motorcycles]. **This event will run rain or shine**. **_Where_** : The starting spot will be at the [ethanol free] Fairway Oil gas station on Route 5 in Fonda, NY. Take NY Thruway Exit 28. After the toll booth, turn left onto Riverside Drive. Then turn right onto South Bridge Street and go over the bridge. On the other side of the bridge is a traffic light. You can see Fairway Oil and Gas on your left. Turn left onto Route 5 and enter the station. **_When_** : Sunday, August 23rd, 2009. Arrival time will be 8:00-8:30am, first car off at 9:00am. They have gas and diesel and have a large enough parking lot that we won’t be in the way. **_Cost_** : $10 per vehicle plus $8 per car for lunch at the awards picnic by the lake. [see “Awards” below] **Awards include** : 1. Best overall mpg for gas cars [1st, 2nd, and 3rd places] 2. Best overall mpg for diesel and hybrid cars [1st, 2nd, and 3rd places] 3. Best Historic car ['79 and earlier - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places]. Note: If we get more than one motorcycle we will add a class for them. **_Finish_** : will be at the Citgo located at 746 NY-30, in Northville. They are less than a mile from Northampton Beach Campground and their lot is plenty big. It will be on your right as you’re heading on Route 30 south in Northville. **_Awards and Lunch_** : This event will conclude about noon, and we will be having our A.M.E.C. summer picnic immediately following the event. All Economy run participants are invited to join us for awards and a picnic lunch at Northampton Beach Campground located on Housmann Street, in Mayfield, [it’s actually closer to Northville] NY. Their website is [**HERE**]([http://www.reserveamerica.com/campgroundDetails.do?subTabIndex=0&con](http://www.reserveamerica.com/campgroundDetails.do?subTabIndex=0&con) tractCode=ny&parkCode=nort). Scroll to the bottom of the page to find the map links. The picnic pavilion and beach are right on the shore of beautiful Sacandaga lake. Hamburgers, hot dogs, and soda will be served. This park is only about a mile from the Citgo station where the event concluded. **To register for this event** : Please contact Mike Kamm at (518) 674-0520 or via email: mkamm [at] juno [dot] com. Or just simply reply to this thread with your name, year/model car. The vehicle count will be limited so please sign up before this event is full. **Registered driver’s list as of 6-30-09** 1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY 3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY 4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH 5. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC 6. Dick Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY 8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums 9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY 10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY 11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc 12. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 13. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY 14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY 15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY 16. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY 17. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY 18. 19. 20. There is a link to last year’s event thread located [**HERE**](http://www.mohud-scca.org/Discuss/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1854). ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/2 "2009-07-01T19:35:55Z")
It’s been a year already? :wow Count me in for this one, especially since it’s on a Sunday. Vlad Saakyan - I’ll most likely be on a motorcycle - 2003 Suzuki Svs650. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/3 "2009-07-01T20:15:10Z")
> [@Final Fantsy 12](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/final-fantsy-12/19608/34): > > It’s been a year already? :wow > > Count me in for this one, especially since it’s on a Sunday. > > Vlad Saakyan - I’ll most likely be on a motorcycle - 2003 Suzuki Svs650. Cool! That will give Ernie Yue some competition in the bike class on his 2008 Ninja 250. Mike ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/4 "2009-07-01T20:19:52Z")
Rut roh, that’s serious competition. I may have to “borrow” my brothers '03 250 then :ninja I’m sure the Gsxr wouldn’t fare too well. ---
**Author:** ![ReDevil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redevil/32/6385_2.png) [@ReDevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ReDevil)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/5 "2009-07-01T20:25:07Z")
If only my Civic still had the 8 valve 1.5… ---
**Author:** ![kramerbuccs24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kramerbuccs24/32/6397_2.png) [@kramerbuccs24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kramerbuccs24)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/6 "2009-07-02T00:12:57Z")
I only get ~25 in the mr2, pete (tdilogik) in his mkIV Golf TDI claims he gets 50+ though :lol hopefully he’ll do it ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/7 "2009-07-02T04:42:07Z")
For the record Mike, may want to fix the date in the title, it’s looking a bit dislexic. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/8 "2009-07-02T06:31:51Z")
> [@Turbo vs. Procharger, Lt1](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/turbo-vs-procharger-lt1/20029/47): > > For the record Mike, may want to fix the date in the title, it’s looking a bit dislexic. Thanks Vlad. Didn’t notice that until you said so. kramerbuccs24, Once you learn the ways of [**Hypermiling**](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20706595/), you can increase the mpg of any vehicle simply by pumping up the tires and driving it with fuel mileage in mind. My F150 only got 14 mpg it’s whole life. Now with my hypermiling experience, I decided to see what it could really do last weekend. I jacked the tires up to 46 psi, emptied all of the excess weight from the bed, then got on the Thruway, kept it under 65, and drafted some semi’s last weekend to NJ. The result? I got 20.6 mpg. That \>25%! Just like anything else, it takes practice. Mike P.S. I’ll be shooting for 70 mpg with my Datsun B210. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/9 "2009-07-02T06:35:56Z")
> [@Turbo vs. Procharger, Lt1](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/turbo-vs-procharger-lt1/20029/47): > > For the record Mike, may want to fix the date in the title, it’s looking a bit dislexic. Thanks Vlad. Didn’t notice that until you said so. kramerbuccs24, Once you learn the ways of [**Hypermiling**](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20706595/), you can increase the mpg of any vehicle simply by pumping up the tires and driving it with fuel mileage in mind. My F150 only got 14 mpg it’s whole life. Now with my hypermiling experience, I decided to see what it could really do last weekend. I jacked the tires up to 46 psi, emptied all of the excess weight from the bed, then got on the Thruway, kept it under 65, and drafted some semi’s last weekend to NJ. The result? I got 20.6 mpg. That \>25%! Just like anything else, it takes practice. Mike P.S. I’ll be shooting for 70 mpg at this event with my Datsun B210. Going all out, with a full belly pan, 155/80R13 tires, all synthetic lubricants, lowered suspension, even Moon disc wheel covers for less drag. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/10 "2009-07-02T06:40:42Z")
Yesterday we had a distinguished guest sign up. Ben Jones of Ecomodder will be bringing his highly modified [for fuel mileage] 1991 Honda CRX from Hanover, NH. Ben [SVOboy on Ecomodder] said he will have some “wicked aeromods” on his CRX for this event. Keep in mind that he’s regularly logging over 61 mpg before the planned areo mods. So it will be really exciting to see what Ben’s CRX can do at our event. Ben started Ecomodder with his friend Darin Cosgrove [Canadian Pontiac Firefly] as a fun place to discuss fuel economy and green transportation. He’s also got a great website showcasing his CRX mods here: [http://www.crxmpg.com/](http://www.crxmpg.com/). He swapped in a D15Z1 engine from a Civic VX, which has both vtec-e and lean burn. This, combined with a tall geared HX transaxle, allows his CRX to make some fantastic mpg numbers. So we’re both going in with similar mpg numbers [low 60’s] before our aero mods. Should be interesting. Mike ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/11 "2009-07-02T07:49:14Z")
Anybody interested in doing this, I will recommend changing your oil before hand with one that has ‘energy conserving’ friction modifyer. Check the back of the bottle for the SAE rating. Also bring some masking tape and a portable air compressor along with a guage. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/12 "2009-07-03T19:56:43Z")
Man this baby’s filling up quick. Some heavy hitters on the way too. Check this out: 1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY 3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY 4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH 5. Dick Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 6. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC 7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY 8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums 9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY 10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY 11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc 12. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY 13. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY 15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY 16. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY 17. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY 18. Lance David - 1996 Chevy Cavalier - Johnstown, NY 19. Chang Ho Kim - 89 Honda CRX - Maynard, MA 20. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada 21. Jeff Morgan - 1992 Nissan 240sx - Rotterdam, NY 22. 23. 24. 25. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/13 "2009-07-03T23:54:34Z")
put me down, Peter Ramotowski 2000 vw Golf TDI albany ny ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/14 "2009-07-04T06:20:00Z")
> [@tdi\_logik"](#): > > put me down, Peter Ramotowski 2000 vw Golf TDI albany ny Sounds good Peter, welcome aboard. What’s nice is you don’t have to drive in from Buffalo or Boston to run either! Local events are always a plus. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![silveradoman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silveradoman/32/6487_2.png) [@silveradoman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silveradoman)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/15 "2009-07-05T14:41:06Z")
full size truck class?? ---
**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/16 "2009-07-05T15:54:56Z")
You can count me in! Eric Hoefer 2008 Honda Fit. I loved doing this back in October ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/17 "2009-07-05T18:17:56Z")
> [@FS: 10 Deep Chain Gang Hoodie (Grey) (L)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-10-deep-chain-gang-hoodie-grey-l/20167/23): > > full size truck class?? You’re more than welcome to run with us, [I just recently got my '92 F150 up to 21 mpg] but there’s no separate truck class. I wouldn’t that stop me from participating though. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Kamm](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike_kamm/32/6417_2.png) [@Mike\_Kamm](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike_Kamm)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/18 "2009-07-05T18:19:19Z")
> [@GD3Skier"](#): > > You can count me in! > > Eric Hoefer 2008 Honda Fit. > > I loved doing this back in October Thanks Eric and welcome back. It will be great to see you again. What’s your personal best for mileage so far with the Fit? Mike ---
**Author:** ![kramerbuccs24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kramerbuccs24/32/6397_2.png) [@kramerbuccs24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kramerbuccs24)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/19 "2009-07-05T18:30:42Z")
ya know what, i’m not going to come close to winning anything, but screw it, count me in :lol 1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY 3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY 4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH 5. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC 6. Dick Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY 8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums 9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY 10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY 11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc 12. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 13. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY 14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY 15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY 16. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY ---
**Author:** ![stockcarboy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stockcarboy/32/6303_2.png) [@stockcarboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/stockcarboy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162/20 "2009-07-05T20:06:47Z")
im thinking of getting my wife to join me on this voyage with her 07 kawasaki 250r and ill ride my 08 yamaha r6 \<----it wont be good on gas but it would be intresting to see what my wifes bike will do. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-m-e-c-economy-run-fonda-ny-8-23-09/245162.md?page=2)