# Active Shooters -\> Terrorism in San Bernadino **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 2, 2015, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338 "2015-12-02T11:53:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/21 "2015-12-03T05:32:21Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Irrelevant. It is not like these psychos would say, “Gee I don’t care about murder laws but I certainly don’t want to break any gun laws”. Bingo! > [@Joe](#): > > Nope, these were assault rifles and handguns that were legally purchased. Not sure where. Oh we know they have active Cali assault weapon permits? I didn’t hear that the guns were all legally owned. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/22 "2015-12-03T05:46:13Z")
I wonder what the “police don’t need these military style vehicles” people will have to say today. ![https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/cvqd5ugusaarjbb.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all](https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/cvqd5ugusaarjbb.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all) It’s rhetorical. They won’t say a damn thing. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/23 "2015-12-03T06:22:13Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I wonder what the “police don’t need these military style vehicles” people will have to say today. I see your larger point but in this context this didn’t do anything both suspects were dead at that point. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/24 "2015-12-03T07:55:09Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I wonder what the “police don’t need these military style vehicles” people will have to say today. > > It’s rhetorical. They won’t say a damn thing. I am usually against militarization of the police forces but this is how these should be used. We had a major crime committed and a proper response with teams and gear designed for this used by SWAT teams. The deployment this gear and teams for small crimes that we are seeing is the big issue. Lots of towns have this type of equipment and also have been relying on SWAT to be used for thinks like a drug warrant enforcement. Hell, a police department in a southern town of about 500 people was able to obtain a armored hovercraft. That is the shit that people have issues with. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/25 "2015-12-03T08:17:39Z")
Were they afraid the SUV was going to drive away on its own? ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/26 "2015-12-03T08:36:19Z")
“Google” ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/27 "2015-12-03T10:27:44Z")
Well, they’ve found the link to terrorism and are saying the shooter was radicalized. > **[San Bernardino shooting: Carnage was 'unspeakable' - CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html)** > > San Bernardino Police Lt. Mike Madden on the shooting at the Inland Regional Center: "It was unspeakable, the carnage that we were seeing." Anyone with half a brain knew after Paris that this was coming here eventually. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/28 "2015-12-03T10:50:13Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Were they afraid the SUV was going to drive away on its own? There was someone in the car still laying down. They weren’t sure if the person was dead, strapped with explosives, or playing possum to try to run away. > [@JayS](#): > > Well, they’ve found the link to terrorism and are saying the shooter was radicalized. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html) > > Anyone with half a brain knew after Paris that this was coming here eventually. They aren’t coming here. These people are already here living day to day. The only difference is they decide to claim they are part of ISIS when they just bought into the propaganda when they were already on track to perform a shooting. ISIS isn’t going to try to perform something a pissed off 16 year old kid has done and do something that happens in America almost every day. If ISIS is going to attack us they are going to try to obtain major weapons and make a bigger impact to terrorize. Until then its just going to be people who are just radicalized in ISIS, hate, Christianity, or whatever the flavor of the week is to still do what they want to do. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/29 "2015-12-03T10:55:10Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Irrelevant. It is not like these psychos would say, “Gee I don’t care about murder laws but I certainly don’t want to break any gun laws”. No, the point is that they get arrested for buying or possessing the guns illegally beforehand so that this shit never happens. Certainly not 100% effective but not 0% either. Also, this isn’t like Paris. Dude got butthurt at his coworkers about something, got his chick, and shot them up. Doesn’t appear to have had a problem with America. At most, radicalization gave him the idea that it’s ok to kill infidels but I don’t see any kind of political message here. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/30 "2015-12-03T11:37:21Z")
Maybe .01% effective. ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/31 "2015-12-03T11:59:59Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > No, the point is that they get arrested for buying or possessing the guns illegally beforehand so that this shit never happens. Certainly not 100% effective but not 0% either. > > Also, this isn’t like Paris. **Dude got butthurt at his coworkers about something, got his chick, and shot them up.** Doesn’t appear to have had a problem with America. At most, radicalization gave him the idea that it’s ok to kill infidels but I don’t see any kind of political message here. You really think that this guy planned this, built a couple explosive devices, wired some of them to an R/C car, just so happened to have the tactical gear laying around his house and then convinced his wife it was okay to kill/injure dozens of people in the 20 minutes from when he left his work party to when the shooting started? Yeah… You also think that he somehow convinced his wife of a year (who he brought over from SA) that she should kill a bunch of people and go on a shooting spree, because he was mad at his co-workers? Nah. This isn’t Bonnie and Clyde. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/32 "2015-12-03T12:16:47Z")
before they let the identities out i was thinking it would be some next-level shit for women to start getting involved in this sort of thing… the fact that this woman was a shooter and left a 6 month old baby behind is crazy. imagine being that girl growing up now? whoa. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/33 "2015-12-03T12:18:18Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Maybe .01% effective. At the state level, any gun laws designed to keep them away from people are all but useless because it’s so easy to drive to a neighboring state with no border crossings and pick up whatever the hell you feel like. Any solution has to be at the federal level if they actually want it to work. In this case, California banned buying and selling high capacity mags within the state 2 years ago, but possessing them is still OK, so they could take a ride a couple hours on the 15 to Nevada and load up their arsenal. They also added long gun registration, but again, only on new sales. I don’t think taking them all away is the answer and it’s always a non-starter in the US, but strengthening background checks, registrations, waiting periods, etc. at the federal level to get some consistency is a no-brainer. Does nothing to take away the rights of responsible owners. This Congress just passed a bill for once, to strengthen background checks on Syrian refugees, why not do so on potential threats at home too? Long guns aren’t even registered most places…when investigating they don’t know the guy with 20 assault rifles and dozens of 30 round mags from his neighbor that has never touched a gun in his life. > [@Beck](#): > > You really think that this guy planned this, built a couple explosive devices, wired some of them to an R/C car, just so happened to have the tactical gear laying around his house and then convinced his wife it was okay to kill/injure dozens of people in the 20 minutes from when he left his work party to when the shooting started? Yeah… > > You also think that he somehow convinced his wife of a year (who he brought over from SA) that she should kill a bunch of people and go on a shooting spree, because he was mad at his co-workers? Nah. This isn’t Bonnie and Clyde. No, I’m thinking more of a Milton situation from Office Space where he was fed up with them and had this plan for awhile and something put him over the edge. And Middle Eastern chicks are pretty subservient, they do what the husbands tell them. Talk about a ride or die bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/34 "2015-12-03T12:36:06Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > At the state level, any gun laws designed to keep them away from people are all but useless because it’s so easy to drive to a neighboring state with no border crossings and pick up whatever the hell you feel like. Any solution has to be at the federal level if they actually want it to work. In this case, California banned buying and selling high capacity mags within the state 2 years ago, but possessing them is still OK, so they could take a ride a couple hours on the 15 to Nevada and load up their arsenal. They also added long gun registration, but again, only on new sales. > > I don’t think taking them all away is the answer and it’s always a non-starter in the US, but strengthening background checks, registrations, waiting periods, etc. at the federal level to get some consistency is a no-brainer. Does nothing to take away the rights of responsible owners. This Congress just passed a bill for once, to strengthen background checks on Syrian refugees, why not do so on potential threats at home too? Long guns aren’t even registered most places…when investigating they don’t know the guy with 20 assault rifles and dozens of 30 round mags from his neighbor that has never touched a gun in his life. > > No, I’m thinking more of a Milton situation from Office Space where he was fed up with them and had this plan for awhile and something put him over the edge. And Middle Eastern chicks are pretty subservient, they do what the husbands tell them. Talk about a ride or die bitch. Naw, I don’t care about how “subservient” they are. They don’t just decide to drop their 6-month old off and then proceed to kill/maim dozens because their husband had a problem at work. ---
**Author:** ![rugsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rugsr/32/7474_2.png) [@rugsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rugsr)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/35 "2015-12-03T12:43:57Z")
Agreed^ @Beck ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/36 "2015-12-03T14:05:49Z")
Why shoot all your co-workers at their holiday party then if it’s not personal against them? Why not complete strangers? Why not leave any kind of message, which disgustingly, would get blasted non-stop by the media worldwide and encourage copycats? If you’re that radical, why try to get away and not blow the place up and collect your 99 virgins? If they had a political/terroristic agenda they did a really shitty job of expressing it. This was obviously planned for a long time, but something, not at that party but in the days leading up to it, made it go time. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/37 "2015-12-03T15:03:36Z")
Based on your signature…there is really no point in trying to explain reality to you. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/38 "2015-12-03T15:51:32Z")
Joe you may be right because he had an argument/fight with a coworker about Islam so… Islam is a religion of peace… unless you aren’t Muslim, then you get keeled. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/39 "2015-12-03T16:12:28Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > Based on your signature…there is really no point in trying to explain reality to you. That’s a quote from John Stuart Mill, 19th century philosopher, yet it applies more than ever in the Fox News/social media era. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338/40 "2015-12-03T16:20:37Z")
@**[Joe](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=192)** so the guy went home because he was mad then made 12 pipe bombs? :lol: Also the guns were purchased legally in CA carry on with the background check debate. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/active-shooters-terrorism-in-san-bernadino/273338.md?page=3)