# Age old battle : Displacement VS Technology **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 17, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094 "2008-03-17T21:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/1 "2008-03-17T21:19:44Z")
Yeah because you pay $3500 for the car and $350 from the Jegs catalog and you have a sloppy ridiculous 845whp. Domestics got it made. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/2 "2008-03-17T21:37:28Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > Yeah because you pay $3500 for the car and $350 from the Jegs catalog and you have a sloppy ridiculous 845whp. Domestics got it made. :lol No shit. Which makes the slow domestics on this forum sad. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/3 "2008-03-17T21:57:37Z")
LOL. Shawnā€¦get to work to pay that rent. Clarkā€¦ ā€¦what do you know about domesticsā€¦since when does your ford even run on all 8, andā€¦Iā€™m not goin anywhere anytime soonā€¦ except to Mid-O baby! and The Glen, and Calbogie, and VIR, and the gay limerockā€¦ahhh, I love summerā€¦oh, and the lot , wherever it may be! Maybe Iā€™ll stop at JCPENNY and leave some marks. No more auto-crosses for me. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/4 "2008-03-17T22:01:16Z")
I got a sugar momma. I no need work. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/5 "2008-03-18T05:02:06Z")
> [@Plan B](#): > > Clarkā€¦ ā€¦what do you know about domesticsā€¦since when does your ford even run on all 8, Thatā€™s about all I know about domestics and the reason I wont buy another one. No go buy that Excursion Deez-ILL. ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/6 "2008-03-18T07:00:35Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > Yeah because you pay $3500 for the car and $350 from the Jegs catalog and you have a sloppy ridiculous 845whp. Domestics got it made. I wish! :šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/7 "2008-03-18T07:02:52Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > I wish! :šŸ™‚ thats an exxageration but you know itā€™s true to an extent. domestic bolt-ons=cheap as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/8 "2008-03-18T07:10:10Z")
Its your european stuff that cost big money. Japanesse and domestics are similar. There is not a single part I would buy from a jegs catalog cause all their LSX stuff is crap + I hate bolt ons ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/9 "2008-03-18T07:12:12Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > Its your european stuff that cost big money. Japanesse and domestics are similar. > There is not a single part I would buy from a jegs catalog cause all their LSX stuff is crap + I hate bolt ons uhh saying you hate boltons is like saying you hate anything but stockā€¦depends what you consider to be a ā€˜bolt-onā€™ i guessā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/10 "2008-03-18T07:21:13Z")
I mean the stupid stuff that gets you 2hp here and 3hp thereā€¦ I go for the heart of the engine and put a cam in it or something. If its a necessary supporting mod I will do it. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/11 "2008-03-18T07:27:23Z")
Most European and Japanese NA motors arent built with tons of power left on the table back at the manufacturer. An intake or exhaust on a car like Bennyā€™s or mine will get you 5-7hp each for an outrageous cost. The same part on a big GM motor will do 30+hp. BMW built our motors for as much as they could get out of them so there isnt much left to squeeze out. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/12 "2008-03-18T07:37:44Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > Japanesse and domestics are similar. :lol I been getting robbed for the last 1/2 decade then. Stock SHORT block for my 3/S = nearly $3K. My ATR catback = $1K (before shipping I havenā€™t even warmed up yet. ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/13 "2008-03-18T09:28:04Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > Most European and Japanese NA motors arent built with tons of power left on the table back at the manufacturer. An intake or exhaust on a car like Bennyā€™s or mine will get you 5-7hp each for an outrageous cost. The same part on a big GM motor will do 30+hp. BMW built our motors for as much as they could get out of them so there isnt much left to squeeze out. That is true but also the larger diplacement engines will always have bigger gains from similar mods. If you put 10psi to a B16 you will get about 300whp but if you run a LS1 or similar sized engine on boost you will gain much more, like 550-600whp and the little Honda still has an advantage with DOHC and so onā€¦ just a rough example > [@bennyfizzle](#): > > How do you figure that? > > Just curious, not calling BS or anything like thatā€¦I mean are you basing this on prior experience/other setups? Its just the nature of most Honda engines. They flow very well and make alot of horse power but due to being efficient and smaller displacement they dont make as much torqueā€¦ but Honda cars are lite so who needs torque? ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/14 "2008-03-18T09:58:07Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > I mean the stupid stuff that gets you 2hp here and 3hp thereā€¦ I go for the heart of the engine and put a cam in it or something. If its a necessary supporting mod I will do it. maybe EACH thing only gives you a couple hp, but if you plan out your modifications to work together you can get good gainsā€¦case in point: stock bmw s52=~200whp on avg, on avg dynojet, avg conditions. intake=~2-3whp tune=~5-7whp full exhaust=~7-8whp m50 mani=~10-15whp big maf/injectors/tune=~2-5whp end result is ~30-40whpā€¦which isnt bad for ā€˜bolt-onsā€™ ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/15 "2008-03-18T10:01:23Z")
No, thats the point. For that 30-40whp, we spend $1700. You can get 30whp out of a V8 Mustang with a $50 K&N filter. ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/16 "2008-03-18T10:07:51Z")
ooh this should get good, personally I am all about efficiency, A 4cyl with a turbo can make 700+whp, and still get 25mpg when they arent wot. A v8 that makes similar power probably gets a mpg rating in the single digits, at this point in time with the enourmous gas costs it just doesnt make much sense to me to have a big v8 as a street car. ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/17 "2008-03-18T10:10:42Z")
> [@1.8tV-Dub](#): > > ooh this should get good, personally I am all about efficiency, A 4cyl with a turbo can make 700+whp, and still get 25mpg when they arent wot. A v8 that makes similar power probably gets a mpg rating in the single digits, at this point in time with the enourmous gas costs it just doesnt make much sense to me to have a big v8 as a street car. Well Mike from Synapse says he gets 30mpg no problem and he has close to 600whpā€¦Driving habits have a lot to do with gas mileageā€¦ anyways thereā€™s a few sayings going aroundā€¦ā€œtheres no replacement for displacementā€ and ā€œthe replacement for displacement is measured in PSIā€ :rofl ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/18 "2008-03-18T10:14:16Z")
Well a crazy turbo civic driven around town out of boost is still a 1.8 liter (or whatever) Honda engine. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/19 "2008-03-18T10:15:24Z")
In terms of pure power: Displacement \> \* Personally, I prefer a V6 FI to get the best of both worlds. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094/20 "2008-03-18T10:16:06Z")
> [@K-20power](#): > > Well Mike from Synapse says he gets 30mpg no problem and he has close to 600whpā€¦Driving habits have a lot to do with gas mileageā€¦ Thatā€™s misleading. He isnā€™t making anywhere near 30MPG at 600WHP. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/age-old-battle-displacement-vs-technology/236094.md?page=2)