# American Car Companies Shut Out by the Japanese **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [March 2, 2006, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827 "2006-03-02T22:05:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MonteCarloChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@MonteCarloChick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MonteCarloChick)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/21 "2006-03-03T09:43:03Z")
There’s no way a Honda Ridgeline can compare to a Ford for a pickup. And people that pickups for their intended use are certainly not going to buy a Honda or Toyota. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/22 "2006-03-03T09:45:19Z")
> [@BikerFry](#): > > ^^Good points. I’m reading The World Is Flat right now and learning of some of the stuff the book talks about demonstrates how it is getting tough to say that any particular product is from one country. Can’t really say that Japanese cars won when a lot of them aren’t built in Japan. I wonder how many are designed in one country, parts built in another, assembled in another, with money held in another, and so on… But don’t you think it comes down to design not assembly? Are there a lot of assembly problems?:gotme: I think the Japanese design is what makes them number 1. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/23 "2006-03-03T09:46:54Z")
> [@MonteCarloChick](#): > > There’s no way a Honda Ridgeline can compare to a Ford for a pickup. > > And people that pickups for their intended use are certainly not going to buy a Honda or Toyota. Not true in my case. My next truck will not be a Dodge, it will be Japanese. ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/24 "2006-03-03T09:50:47Z")
im not at all surprised, american car companies are quickly falling behind. the imports started later, and therefore were behind to bigin with, but they caught up fast and are now surpassing the US car companies. it wont surprise me when we start getting phased out completely ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/25 "2006-03-03T09:54:28Z")
> [@MonteCarloChick](#): > > And people that pickups for their intended use are certainly not going to buy a Honda or Toyota. Both Toyota and Nissan both have very strong V8s that out tow the _standard_ V8s found in the big three. ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/26 "2006-03-03T09:57:06Z")
Spending money on R&D \> Spending money on pensions & dealing with unions. ---
**Author:** ![MonteCarloChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@MonteCarloChick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MonteCarloChick)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/27 "2006-03-03T10:03:38Z")
Ugliest truck ever created: ![http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/634/634515/2005-honda-ridgeline-20050718115745063.jpg](http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/634/634515/2005-honda-ridgeline-20050718115745063.jpg) Copied off of Chevrolet: ![http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/8523.jpg](http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/8523.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/28 "2006-03-03T10:04:38Z")
Eh, the big 3 will never go away, just change ownership in some form or another. I personally would love to see Toyota pair up with or buy GM, de-fuck their management and teach their manufacturing a thing or two about QC. IMO something like a Cobalt with Toyota build quality that GM could actually manufacture in a profitable way would be huuuuge. And as for the pickup thing, I know a ton of good-ol-boy pickup types (to a certain extent myself included) who would love a Nissan Titan or Toyota Tundra. Their biggest beef with them is that they aren’t big enough and can’t tow enough. They need optional bigger V8’s or (God help the “American” truck companies) a diesel. They don’t have bad things to say about the Honda either, other than it’s not a truck. Anybody know if the Ridgeline was developed from the ground up or based on an Accord chassis or something? ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/29 "2006-03-03T10:40:28Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Anyone: > **How many of those cars listed are manufactured in the U.S.?** Half of the Hondas listed are made right here in the U.S. by NON UNION workers. :tup: And the Honda Ridgeline was voted Truck of the Year by both the North American International Auto Show and Truck Trend magazine. OMG NO WAY!? ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/30 "2006-03-03T11:02:08Z")
no suprise there 🙂 altho as stated earlier i woulda had toyota in the pickup truck category ---
**Author:** ![jrex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jrex/32/7232_2.png) [@jrex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jrex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/31 "2006-03-03T11:27:36Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > Maybe reliability played a factor. 12 yr old 4G63 + no maintenance + MBC + Way more than factory boost = boom Fixed. Besides Evo’s generally eat clutches and transfer cases, not engines. If reliability is a concern, why didn’t the STi’s lack of sufficient oiling and eating bearings during cornering come into play? On Topic: I’m suprised that the STi beat the Evo. I’m guessing daily drivability had more to do with it, as the STi is always said to be a more “comfortable” car than the Evo, and I’m sure the extra torque from the 2.5 helped as well. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/32 "2006-03-03T12:10:23Z")
From what the news said. Half of those Honda are built here in the states. :gotme: The lines between import and domestic are getting thinner and thinner. ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/33 "2006-03-03T12:17:39Z")
> [@jrex](#): > > Fixed. Besides Evo’s generally eat clutches and transfer cases, not engines. If reliability is a concern, why didn’t the STi’s lack of sufficient oiling and eating bearings during cornering come into play? It was just a joke. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/34 "2006-03-03T14:01:13Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > Have you ever heard someone say, “I buy American cars because they are the best”? > Probably not because people usually say, “I buy American to support Americans”! > Ironically if you check out a Wal-Mart parking lot it is full of American cars. > Wal-Mart imports over $12 BILLION from China a year and sells that crap to these people. > Why would anyone want to support the UAW and basically fuck every other US manufacturer in the ass by buying Chinese crap from Wal-Mart? > Go to any domestic car drivers house I gaurantee it is full of shit made in China. > > Rant off I buy american cars because they are the best. At making torque. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/35 "2006-03-03T14:03:50Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I buy american cars because they are the best. > At making torque. Unfortunately for the big three it takes more than torque to sell a car to the masses. I agree that torque is nice though.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/36 "2006-03-03T15:01:34Z")
The Ridgeline is based on the Pilot platform (which I believe is based off the Accord). Only reason it won is because its new. It’s a poor excuse for a “real” truck. Ever notice how whatever truck is the newest in the market though always wins truck of the year :roll: ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/37 "2006-03-03T18:11:44Z")
titan\> ridgeline. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/38 "2006-03-03T18:36:33Z")
Avalanche \> F150/Silverado/Ram \> titan \> ridgeline ---
**Author:** ![355firebird](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/355firebird/32/7369_2.png) [@355firebird](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/355firebird)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/39 "2006-03-03T18:50:04Z")
Where’s Lexus?? ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/american-car-companies-shut-out-by-the-japanese/8827/40 "2006-03-03T19:11:17Z")
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