# An eye for an eye, at least thats how I feel. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 16, 2009, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951 "2009-10-16T07:35:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/41 "2009-10-16T10:13:08Z")
:tdown: For you and your dad being huge pussies. Terrible thread, I hate people who are afraid to protect themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/42 "2009-10-16T10:14:22Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > It is your RIGHT to protect your HOME & FAMILY. In NYS all that right gets you is that you are not obligated to run away if possible. I.E. If you use a deadly weapon and he didn’t have a deadly weapon, you lose. Normally you are obligated to flee if possible and you may only respond with deadly force if fleeing is not possible and the bad guy is also using deadly force. If you are at your home you don’t have to flee. I think I read that somewhere. Maybe I just made it up. :gotme: ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/43 "2009-10-16T10:30:40Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > In NYS all that right gets you is that you are not obligated to run away if possible. I.E. If you use a deadly weapon and he didn’t have a deadly weapon, you lose. Normally you are obligated to flee if possible and you may only respond with deadly force if fleeing is not possible and the bad guy is also using deadly force. If you are at your home you don’t have to flee. > > I think I read that somewhere. Maybe I just made it up. :gotme: mostly correct give or take, you’re first step is to escape or evade, and you’re only allowed to use deadly force if you or anyone you’re directly responsible for (wife/child/ect) is in danger of loss of life. so you’re screwed no matter what essentially. if they’re in your house, and are going to harm you, you have to try to leave. if you’re chasing after them, you are 100% at fault and will do time. ---
**Author:** ![OfficerK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4da419/32.png) [@OfficerK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OfficerK)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/44 "2009-10-16T10:33:19Z")
Not to mention even if you weren’t charge, or won a criminal trial…you are certainly going to be losing the civil case. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/45 "2009-10-16T10:36:57Z")
> [@Spam16v](#): > > mostly correct give or take, you’re first step is to escape or evade, and you’re only allowed to use deadly force if you or anyone you’re directly responsible for (wife/child/ect) is in danger of loss of life. so you’re screwed no matter what essentially. if they’re in your house, and are going to harm you, you have to try to leave. if you’re chasing after them, you are 100% at fault and will do time. Wrong. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/46 "2009-10-16T10:38:11Z")
So, make sure they are dead\* and armed then? \*-Not shot in back ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/47 "2009-10-16T11:33:41Z")
Good move not killing them. Seriously tho, it seems like your kid needs to evaluate the people she hangs out with since they were inside your house. Cops are useless. I have zero respect for any officer anymore after the way they have handled the situation at my apartment. You don’t need a justice degree. All you need is an ego and you got a job. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/48 "2009-10-16T11:47:50Z")
> [@Spam16v](#): > > mostly correct give or take, you’re first step is to escape or evade, and you’re only allowed to use deadly force if you or anyone you’re directly responsible for (wife/child/ect) is in danger of loss of life. so you’re screwed no matter what essentially. if they’re in your house, and are going to harm you, you have to try to leave. if you’re chasing after them, you are 100% at fault and will do time. Not quite right either. > § 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person. > 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use > physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she > reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a > third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or > imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless: > (a) The latter’s conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to > cause physical injury to another person; or > (b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case the > use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has > withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such > withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing > the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical > force; or > (c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by > agreement not specifically authorized by law. > 2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person > under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless: > (a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or > about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the > actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with > complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the > necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is under no > duty to retreat if he or she is: > (i) in his or her dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or > (ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police > officer or a peace officer at the latter’s direction, acting pursuant to > section 35.30; or > (b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing > or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal > sexual act or robbery; or > (c) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing > or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that > the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of > section 35.20. There is nothing about it needing to be someone in your family/direct care. If I look out in my front yard and some guy has a complete stranger pinned down holding a knife to them, that’s justifiable deadly force. It’s a reasonable fear for the immediate death of yourself or another. To be safe you better yell for him to put the knife down before shooting though. Some rican punching your sister in the face, not so much. You have the right to use force but not deadly force. Maybe if he’s on top of her and it looks like he’s going to punch her head in but if they’re just standing toe to toe going at it like white trash vs tan trash that’s going to be a tough sell to the police. You really should read the NY Penal Code sometime. It’s available online even: [http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS](http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS) Scroll down and click on PEN. This specific section is Title C, Article 35, Defense of Justification. As a gun owner who believes in protecting my own property it’s a section I’ve read many times. ---
**Author:** ![almostBrett](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/almostbrett/32/5249_2.png) [@almostBrett](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/almostBrett)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/49 "2009-10-16T11:54:07Z")
wow it would have taken some serious restrant to keep me from killing someone. you might wanna have a chat with your sister on wtf she is doing with recans in your casa. (first time ive read anything on here in a month\>\>\> good read) ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/50 "2009-10-16T11:57:01Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > This specific section is Title C, Article 35, Defense of Justification. As a gun owner who believes in protecting my own property it’s a section I’ve read many times. :bigclap: ---
**Author:** ![Boomin99GT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boomin99gt/32/7306_2.png) [@Boomin99GT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boomin99GT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/51 "2009-10-16T12:08:54Z")
fuck man, that sucks. I hope things work out for you. ---
**Author:** ![ShiftDead](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shiftdead/32/7508_2.png) [@ShiftDead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShiftDead)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/52 "2009-10-16T12:09:41Z")
In the grand scheme of things my brother could have been home from the military. That would have been bad for everybody. ---
**Author:** ![ImportMuscle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/importmuscle/32/7615_2.png) [@ImportMuscle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ImportMuscle)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/53 "2009-10-16T14:44:47Z")
This is exactly why i know where my shotgun and ammo is, and why i keep both close by. 1350 FPS STD. Velocity would have sheared his leg off. And yes i would shoot to maim. Brutally Brutally maim ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/54 "2009-10-16T15:09:35Z")
dead men tell no tales ---
**Author:** ![Jack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jack/32/7613_2.png) [@Jack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jack)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/55 "2009-10-16T16:47:25Z")
> [@97FormulaWS-6](#): > > Geeze… > > what’s with the people having their wife lock up their guns; do you not have the self-control to know when to use it or not?!?!?!? seriously?!?!? :word: That is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. “Hey babe, can you stop screaming for a second and tell me where you put the key to my guns? I know you’re being raped and all… but I need the key to stop the person with his dick in your ass. Not only am I irresponsible with a **weapon I use for self defense** but I’m so irresponsible that you need to hold the keys for me.” :fail: > [@Choda](#): > > fuck that, u weren’t swinging the club hard enough to have your father grab it. > u shoulda hit your sister too :word: There is a whole family of fail going on here. You’re 300lbs, you have a golf club… and your dad is easily able to stop you mid swing with a golf club and remove the club from your hands? Seriously? Have you ever swung a golf club, or any club for that matter? Holy Fuck. Then… to top it off. He comes back and you have a hockey stick in your hands, which is also easily removed from your death grip, and the fucking piece of shit gets away again. HAHAHA. These are obviously not your sporting goods, and you clearly don’t sound like the athletic type (not based on the fact that you’re overweight, I’m big too 🙂 ) but it is based on the fact that no matter what is in your hands, it is removed quickly and easily before you’re actually able to use it. Your sister is clearly to blame for the situation, fucking straighten her ass out before someone gets killed. But you and your father are responsible for letting them do it to some other family, which is going to happen. > [@glitch](#): > > :tdown: For you and your dad being huge pussies. Terrible thread, I hate people who are afraid to protect themselves. :word: I’ll come off of my :jays: now. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/56 "2009-10-16T17:01:37Z")
![http://www.book-club-queen.com/images/texas-justice-by-marsha-coles-21100788.jpg](http://www.book-club-queen.com/images/texas-justice-by-marsha-coles-21100788.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/57 "2009-10-16T17:19:49Z")
yea, your dad sucks. why is there ricans in your house at 2am? i came from a similar household where anything went and i got out quick and made something of myself. i suggest you do the same since it would appear the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. the fact that you instantly kept grabbing for weapons to assult someone doesnt speak much for yourself. We all understand why you would be upset and like i said i come from similar lifestyle, you need to get out and on your own. get a G/F that will keep your head on straight. :tdown: to living in shitty families. Carnut is correct in everything he has said so far. ---
**Author:** ![9ONA3OOZX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9ona3oozx/32/7242_2.png) [@9ONA3OOZX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9ONA3OOZX)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/58 "2009-10-16T17:32:08Z")
wait…a few guys beat your sister up? more than 1 guy, beating up 1 girl…wtf. A public lynching is in order…you know how to reach me, for any help please do so. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/59 "2009-10-16T17:39:22Z")
IDK how to feel about this. I think I’m mostly grossed out at your sister and family. I usually don’t hold shitty people responsible for their actions, I just expect it, so the onus is upon the people who have their head on their shoulders… sucks, but oh well… ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951/60 "2009-10-16T18:01:35Z")
> [@newman](#): > > IDK how to feel about this. I think I’m mostly grossed out at your sister and family. I usually don’t hold shitty people responsible for their actions, I just expect it, so the onus is upon the people who have their head on their shoulders… sucks, but oh well… +1 humans have a great “gut feeling” instinct. If they look and smell like shit, they probably are shit. If I was you, I would have beat the snot out of that scumbag. Your parents should kick your sis out of the house if she doesn’t change who she hangs out with, brown,black or white, a scumbag is still a scumbag. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/an-eye-for-an-eye-at-least-thats-how-i-feel/74951.md?page=4)