# Another great example of NY's union problems

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**Created:** [October 23, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965 "2008-10-23T13:44:08Z")\
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**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/41 "2008-10-24T15:30:24Z")

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> [@turbociv](#):
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> wow, alot of stupid replys in this thread. I guess thats what happens when you bring up discussions like this on a car forum. Unions are important. Without them people with skilled labor and training would have to live in poverty. Quality control would go down to shit because all the skilled labor would leave the area.
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> The children are the future, as cliche as it sounds, we need good teachers.

:tup:

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**Author:** ![slasky](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slasky/32/7408_2.png) [@slasky](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slasky)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/42 "2008-10-24T17:57:32Z")

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> [@JayS](#):
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> What’s great about NY is you hear all these people pissed off about stuff like this and then who do they vote for?
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> Union endorsed Byron Brown.
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> Union endorsed Elliot Spitzer.
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> The majority of the county legislature? You guessed it, all union endorsed candidates.
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> Joe Mesi, union endorsed and in the the lead.
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> You get what you vote for with local government more than anywhere else so I guess WNY just likes getting fucked.

Don’t forget that the unions endorse Obama too.

> [@StrokedZ28](#):
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> The fact that the city thought that they can simply break an agreement like this is the reason why unions are still needed.
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> I’m not saying that the healthcare providers don’t need to be reformed in Buffalo, what I am saying is that you need to work with the unions to do that not take a unilateral action like the city did.

I agree 100%

> [@JayS](#):
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> Lets not forget this change was made in 2005, **AFTER** the contract that specified multiple providers expired and a new contract could not be agreed on.

The law states that the old contract stays in place until a new one is negotiated. The City had no right to make any changes to it without the consent of the union

> [@StrokedZ28](#):
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> Your not going to find any teacher making over 100k and if you do they are probably old as fuck on a pay scale set during the 50’s.
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> I am a teacher, I love my job but its more work than you think. And I don’t know a single teacher that doesn’t work over the summer so you can throw the whole “you get summers off” right out the door.
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> I think teachers in the public sector get a fair wage. With the christmas-easter breaks. But I will never make more than 70k teaching and yet if I were in the private sector working as a businessman with masters in business I could probably get a job where I would starting out at 50k and work my way up to loads of money.
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> Teachers in the private sector get paid below poverty level. The average salary in a private school is closer to 18k a year, how the fuck can you explain that?

I agree with the 100K part but in the suburbs of Rochester there are plenty of teachers above $70k. I will definitely be there well before I retire. It took me 13 years of teaching before I had my first summer off. My wife still had to work:).

I know I could make more money if I worked at a private business but I enjoy my job. I think I am fairly compensated for what I do.  
For all of you that think teachers are overpaid, you could always spend $80,000+ to go to college for six years and get a job teaching. Any takers???

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**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/43 "2008-10-24T18:34:05Z")

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> [@StrokedZ28](#):
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> Your not going to find any teacher making over 100k and if you do they are probably old as fuck on a pay scale set during the 50’s.

i know it isn’t the point of the discussion, but…

next time the OP school teacher salaries are in the orchard park bee, or southtowns citizen, check them out. i think you’ll be amazed.

for example, i know when i was there, there were TWO librarians, of which all they had to do was bitch and students, then show them how to search on the internet for research :roll:, were making north of $80k, i shit you not. several gym teachers were making north of 80-90k. my golf coach was a gym/health teacher, and received early retirement and a healthy severance package… obviously it’s pretty tough to get a full time teaching job in the OP district, but just sayin

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**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/44 "2008-10-24T19:40:26Z")

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> [@turbo ls1 ss](#):
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> i know it isn’t the point of the discussion, but…
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> next time the OP school teacher salaries are in the orchard park bee, or southtowns citizen, check them out. i think you’ll be amazed.
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> for example, i know when i was there, there were TWO librarians, of which all they had to do was bitch and students, then show them how to search on the internet for research :roll:, were making north of $80k, i shit you not. several gym teachers were making north of 80-90k. my golf coach was a gym/health teacher, and received early retirement and a healthy severance package… obviously it’s pretty tough to get a full time teaching job in the OP district, but just sayin

How old are the teacher/librarians? Different contracts for different hire dates tends to make the pay scales different.

Slasky you may be making 70k by the time you retire but I probably wont.

OP is a very rich district and should not be considered the norm, but again, you won’t find teachers getting hired today that will be making that kind of change without having administrative or coaching duties.

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**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/45 "2008-10-24T19:59:58Z")

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librarians \> i want to say 45ish at the time. the one had a son that was in my class \<-- their salaries were a complete joke for their responsibilities… absolutely insane

gym teachers making $\> 45-55ish

my old hag of a homeroom/english teacher was there when dinosaurs roamed, so she was probably up there too.

i know a girl that was lucky and got hired right out of canisius. she was teaching 3rd grade at ellicot when she was 23-24 (super hot too, a certain someone on this board can tell you more about that… :devil: ) she was making 35k her first year

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**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/46 "2008-10-24T20:10:32Z")

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> [@turbo ls1 ss](#):
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> librarians \> i want to say 45ish at the time. the one had a son that was in my class \<– their salaries were a complete joke for their responsibilities… absolutely insane
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> gym teachers making $\> 45-55ish
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> my old hag of a homeroom/english teacher was there when dinosaurs roamed, so she was probably up there too.
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> i know a girl that was lucky and got hired right out of canisius. she was teaching 3rd grade at ellicot when she was 23-24 (super hot too, a certain someone on this board can tell you more about that… :devil: ) she was making 35k her first year

$50k Might sound about right for a OP teacher with 15 years in.

And $35k is slightly higher than the average starting salary for a teacher.

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**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/47 "2008-10-24T20:14:00Z")

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my principle at OP, farwell, had several porches and audis. i believe he raced them…

he had a 911 turbo (bad boys style) that he DD’d. the car had a roll bar, harnesses and fire extinguishers in it. the guy was like 60, lol.

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**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/48 "2008-10-24T20:29:11Z")

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> [@StrokedZ28](#):
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> $50k Might sound about right for a OP teacher with 15 years in.
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> And $35k is slightly higher than the average starting salary for a teacher.

I guess Teacher pay in Rochester is pretty good. I think our starting salary was $38k this year. IIRC I broke the 50k mark, with my base salary, around the 10 year mark. Coaching and clubs can add quite a bit of money too. Where I work is not even close to the top paying school around here either.

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**Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-great-example-of-nys-union-problems/56965/49 "2008-10-24T20:29:41Z")

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> [@turbo ls1 ss](#):
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> my principle at OP, farwell, had several porches and audis. i believe he raced them…
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> he had a 911 turbo (bad boys style) that he DD’d. the car had a roll bar, harnesses and fire extinguishers in it. the guy was like 60, lol.

Don’t blame teachers for principal salaries those are voted on by the board of education and have nothing to do with unions.

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