# Another overpromised underdelivered hybrid (Fisker Karma) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 19, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624 "2011-10-19T05:44:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2013, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/41 "2013-04-24T12:29:54Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > Someone should do it. They’re beautiful looking cars in person. They’d sell no matter what engine was under the hood. GM would fuck it up. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2013, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/42 "2013-04-24T12:40:08Z")
GM purchases Fisker Karma design and tooling, also announces the re-incarnation of Pontiac… edit: just realized that JayS drives a Pontiac lol ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/43 "2013-04-24T12:53:39Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > edit: just realized that JayS drives a Pontiac lol Hah… no probs. I look at the Holden Monaro then at my GTO and fully admit GM fucked it up. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/44 "2013-05-06T12:07:26Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > Yeah I wonder what Lutz company would offer for the design and tooling to build the bodies. > **[Fisker-based Destino still in the works, hundreds of Karma owners seek...](https://www.autoblog.com/2013/05/06/fisker-based-destino-still-in-the-works-100s-of-karma-owners-se/)** > > Wards Auto reports the VL Productions Destino is still moving forward. As you may recall, that machine takes a Fisker Karma hybrid, guts the drivetrain and replaces it with a honking 556 horsepower V8 from General Motors. Bob Lutz, while > Wards, confirmed that VL Productions had obtained 20 Karma “gliders” without a battery, engine or electric motor, and that VL may purchase Karma hybrids from dealers currently looking to dump their inventory. Lutz also says that hundreds of current Karma owners have approached VL Productions about the possibility of converting their hybrids to V8 power. > > That conversion could cost between $85,000 and $95,000. Right now, VL has around 100 orders for standard Destino models, each with a price tag of $185,000. Not surprisingly, much of that demand has come from the Middle East. Wards reports that the first wave of deliveries are set to begin in the third quarter of this year. Buyers can expect to find a 6.2-liter, supercharged V8 engine lifted from the Cadillac CTS-V under the hood, coupled to a six-speed automatic transmission. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/45 "2013-05-17T19:10:53Z")
> **[Used Fisker Karma EVs are the 'new Delorean' as prices tumble](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/used-fisker-karma-evs-are-new-delorean-prices-tumble-1C9916866)** > Used Fisker Karmas, which sold for $103,000 just a year ago as new models, are now being sold for roughly half price. In some cases, those trying to sell the luxury extended-range electric car on eBay cannot even get bids above $50,000. KEEP THOSE PRICES FALLING! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Axis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/axis/32/5149_2.png) [@Axis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Axis)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/46 "2013-05-17T19:39:57Z")
V8 swap, the ultimate solution to all the world’s problems ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/47 "2013-05-17T19:49:29Z")
Has there been a swap yet? ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/48 "2013-05-17T20:22:27Z")
Take thatliberals. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2013, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/49 "2013-05-18T04:42:10Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Has there been a swap yet? Did you miss the post about the LS9 swaps? [http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?226156-Another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-(Fisker-Karma)&p=3429831&viewfull=1#post3429831](http://www.nyspeed.com/showthread.php?226156-Another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-(Fisker-Karma)&p=3429831&viewfull=1#post3429831) ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/50 "2013-05-21T09:02:24Z")
> [@Willybeen](#): > > Take thatliberals. President Bush initiated these EV programs. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/51 "2013-05-21T10:51:19Z")
I meant it as a joke and jab at the typical prius driver. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/52 "2013-05-21T11:24:34Z")
thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-aaaaaaaaaanks ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/53 "2013-05-21T12:42:05Z")
> [@RedGoober4Life](#): > > President Bush initiated these EV programs. True, but Fisker wasn’t given money until an ATVM conditional loan in 2009 as part of the stimulus package. It was the Obama DOE. And when you examine the private money & effort put into Fisker (Leonardo DiCaprio, Al Gore, etc.) a handful of wealthy liberals did bet wrong. Oh, well. I still think it’s a great looking car and maybe Orlando Bloom will sell his to me for $20k in a year, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/54 "2013-05-28T14:21:00Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > … maybe Orlando Bloom will sell his to me for $20k in a year, lol. > … Manheim projects Fisker wholesale values will drop to $28,400 by next May. :eekdance: > **[Tales From The Cooler: Instant Karma Depreciation](https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/05/tales-from-the-cooler-instant-karma-depreciation/)** > > During all the turmoil facing hybrid automaker Fisker Automotive recently, from closing its doors to a possible resuscitation led by Bob Lutz, one thing has remained constant: the rapidly collapsing values of the Fisker Karma cars themselves. It... ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/55 "2013-05-28T14:49:08Z")
LS swapped Fisker here we go! ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/56 "2013-05-28T18:38:40Z")
i’ve been seeing a number of Tesla’s around. they are really nice looking but definitely look like they are 4-5 years old with those body lines. it’s gotta be hard to keep up with Merc and BMW styling though. I was on the highway with one today and noticed it had a dual caliper set up on the rear. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/57 "2013-05-28T18:58:02Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > :eekdance: > > [Tales From The Cooler: Instant Karma Depreciation | The Truth About Cars](http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/05/tales-from-the-cooler-instant-karma-depreciation/) Remind me next May to buy one if they are that cheap. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/58 "2013-05-28T19:59:42Z")
> [@bing](#): > > it’s gotta be hard to keep up with Merc and BMW styling though. Yes, they should add excessive wheel arches and character lines. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/59 "2013-10-20T16:27:08Z")
> Lutz told Automotive News, now that some disputes have been settled with necessary suppliers, that the Destino will be produced beginning next year and that he’s bought 25 never-sold Karmas to fit a new face and a V8 with either 450 horsepower or 638 supercharged horses. > Interestingly, Lutz is extending the V8 magic to existing Karma owners by offering to convert their cars to gasoline-only propulsion for just $10o,000 – roughly 100% of the Karma’s original price. > **[Bob Lutz Offers Fisker Karma Owners Some V8 Engines](https://jalopnik.com/bob-lutz-offers-fisker-karma-owners-some-v8-engines-1448628931)** > > For all of the Fisker Karma owners who are tired of feeling like they're driving around in something people point and laugh, there is a solution in the form of an engine out of a Corvette. Because that just makes everything better. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624/60 "2014-03-11T07:43:43Z")
They’re back… [http://thenewfisker.com/](http://thenewfisker.com/) > The company is now called The New Fisker, and a new website is up, promising… quite a lot actually. > First off, The New Fisker plans to restart production of the Karma electric sedan, which has been in production in Valmet, Finland, until just a couple years ago. Second, the company wants to restart development of the smaller Atlantic sedan, which we saw at the 2012 New York auto show. Third, the Surf shooting brake and the Sunset convertible would see a return to development as well. [http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140307/CARNEWS/140309865](http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140307/CARNEWS/140309865) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-overpromised-underdelivered-hybrid-fisker-karma/217624.md?page=4)