# anybody else see whats new with China? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 15, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797 "2011-12-15T04:26:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skidplate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Skidplate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Skidplate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/21 "2011-12-15T11:11:28Z")
> [@Mafdark"](#): > > At the time the project was conceived it in part was meant to be hugely expensive. The F22 and the star wars program where designed to be so expensive that the USSR would simply be unable to compete. so they WANTED to dump money into this from the beginning?! that’s fucking retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/22 "2011-12-15T11:12:31Z")
> [@Nose panel decision thread for the Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nose-panel-decision-thread-for-the-z/47280/8): > > so they WANTED to dump money into this from the beginning?! > > that’s fucking retarded. It was smart in 1981… ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/23 "2011-12-15T11:31:30Z")
> [@A history of suck... (awesome update post 99, then 134)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-history-of-suck-awesome-update-post-99-then-134/47278/33): > > It was smart in 1981… Werd. Almost the peak of the Cold War, if the US has all the money to spend on its defense program, it’d eventually render the USSR incompetent technologically and militaristicly. ---
**Author:** ![Sketchy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sketchy/32/6378_2.png) [@Sketchy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sketchy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/24 "2011-12-15T11:37:25Z")
Theres a Aircraft Carrier off the coast of Kharge Island :rofl ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/25 "2011-12-15T11:48:34Z")
… 🤣rofl ---
**Author:** ![Sketchy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sketchy/32/6378_2.png) [@Sketchy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sketchy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/26 "2011-12-15T12:03:04Z")
> [@Official: NHL Playoff Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-nhl-playoff-thread/46500/251): > > … > > 🤣rofl There is no picture above is there? I cant see it if there is one lol ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/27 "2011-12-15T12:45:42Z")
nope ---
**Author:** ![streetsweeper1098](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@streetsweeper1098](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/streetsweeper1098)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/28 "2011-12-15T15:32:28Z")
Doesn’t really worry me. The logistics of China launching an attack on America would be outrageous, unless they had a place to stage which would be either Canada or Mexico and I doubt that would ever happen. ---
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/29 "2011-12-15T16:22:08Z")
> [@Who here works at localnet?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-works-at-localnet/47240/69): > > Obama cut the F22, Iran has our highest public awareness technology as of this week, due to the Drone theft… This is significant… and could be due to a mole or just catastrophic failure… > > About the drone return: > > Iran Mocks Obama After He Asks For Downed Drone Back, Says He ‘Begs To Give Him Back His Toy Plane’ > > ``` > Posted on December 13, 2011 at 9:24pm by Tiffany Gabbay Tiffany Gabbay > Print » > Email » > > Comments (177) > > ``` > > In the wake of the latest downed U.S. drone, Iran is gleefully mocking Barack Obama, chiding that the president “begs to give him back his toy plane.” > > “Obama is hoping that the Iranian government is in a Christmas mood because he has asked Tehran to send him his Christmas present. Iran mocks Obama who ‘begged’ for [his] Drone back,” goaded Fars News Agency on Tuesday. > > “We have asked for it back. We’ll see how the Iranians respond,” Obama said following a White House meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. > > Israel National News adds: > > ``` > Iran said last week it downed an advanced RQ-70 drone. The Obama administration initially denied the report, but later admitted it had lost a drone. > > “Given Iran’s behavior to date, we do not expect them to comply,” U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said. President Obama reportedly turned down proposals to try to bomb the drone or retrieve it, fearing such an act would be considered an “act of war.” > > “This is not only an intelligence victory for us, but a defeat for our enemies,” said a senior commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guards Corps. > > The RQ-170 has special coatings and a batwing shape designed to help it stay undetected by radar. > > Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehman-Parast lambasted Obama, saying that ”it seems that he has forgotten that Iran’s air space has been violated, espionage operations have been carried out, international laws have been violated and Iran’s internal affairs have been interfered with.” > > ``` > > Iran boasted that the U.S. has lost 90 drones since 2007. It’s supposed to have a self destruct sequence on it they can activate in a scenario like this. Makes you wonder right!?!?!?. ---
**Author:** ![KillerBlackbird](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/killerblackbird/32/6525_2.png) [@KillerBlackbird](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KillerBlackbird)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/30 "2011-12-15T17:00:07Z")
> [@WTB: Decent motorcycle helmet](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-decent-motorcycle-helmet/47228/16): > > +rep KBB > > I had the luxary of going to visit Rachel, NV back in my late teens and in particular outside of the Area 51 complex (never got past the signs that said, “No Trespassing - Use of Deadly Force Authorized” ) and I am a firm believer that the US Government has been building and testing Top Secret Aircraft at this facility as well as other facilities all over the country. > > Look at that Helicoptor that was shot down in the Bin Laden Raid. That thing was a modified Blackhawk that had similarities to a Stealth Fighter in that is was supposed to be immune to radar detection as well as the fact that the helicoptor was modified to make next to 0 sound while in flight. Former DoD heads had said that that helicoptor was unlike anything they had ever seen in the course of their career while at the DoD. > > Bottom line is this, what you see being used in the field now is something that has been trial tested and proven over the course of decades of military use. I can’t even begin to imagine what the government has coming up the pipe line in terms of experimental aircraft, aquatic vessals, and military weapons. Exactly. Look at the SR-71. That was developed in the early 60’s - it was crude but pure speed and cruising altitude meant it could simply outrun anything around it. Top speed of that was supposed to be above Mach 3, I am sure whats in development now has to be insane. ---
**Author:** ![capitalcrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@capitalcrew](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/capitalcrew)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/31 "2011-12-15T19:55:03Z")
The f117 was in development in the 60s as well. We didn’t hear about it until the mid 90s I think. The f22 was supposedly taken out of commission because having a generation 5 stealth fighter aircraft in service would only encourage other countries to develop aircraft with similar capabilities. I’m sure the price and the fact that everything it is doing can be done with a less expensive aircraft both contributed to it’s discontinuation. Either that or we came out with something 100000x more badass and we just don’t know about it yet. Likely the latter. ---
**Author:** ![91teg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91teg/32/6304_2.png) [@91teg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91teg)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/32 "2011-12-15T20:24:46Z")
Its been said multiple times already but anyone who thinks our military dosnt have things you dont know about is foolish. If you were a government would you release your plans for the next best thing in your arsenal ? ---
**Author:** ![capitalcrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@capitalcrew](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/capitalcrew)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/33 "2011-12-15T20:27:12Z")
No shit. ---
**Author:** ![91teg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91teg/32/6304_2.png) [@91teg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91teg)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/34 "2011-12-15T20:28:19Z")
> [@Who's got the Orange 350Z?!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whos-got-the-orange-350z/47289/22): > > No shit. :ponder ---
**Author:** ![KillerBlackbird](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/killerblackbird/32/6525_2.png) [@KillerBlackbird](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KillerBlackbird)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/35 "2011-12-16T04:35:43Z")
I bet working at Groom Lake would be unreal. How cool would that be to develop shit like that. Helicopters that you can’t hear, UAVs, stealth missles, and other badassery. ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/36 "2011-12-16T05:33:41Z")
> [@A history of suck... (awesome update post 99, then 134)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-history-of-suck-awesome-update-post-99-then-134/47278/86): > > I bet working at Groom Lake would be unreal. How cool would that be to develop shit like that. Helicopters that you can’t hear, UAVs, stealth missles, and other badassery. Sometimes I think the government just LOL’s really hard at us for being so facinated with that place, that they really just send a bunch of retards there to play monopoly underground all day to fuck with all of us, while the real site is somewhere in Oregon or some shit :rofl ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/37 "2011-12-16T05:58:19Z")
I love this place sometimes :eek3 > [@A history of suck... (awesome update post 99, then 134)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-history-of-suck-awesome-update-post-99-then-134/47278/9): > > Most of you people realize that some of these weapons/aircraft we know about now, have been around for 20-30+ years before we even really heard about them > > I bet the government knew about this before the first machine to build it even started up > > They say the F-15 is still one of the best fighter jets in our arsenal aside from the F-22 which has now “Just” come into service… > > I find that hard to belive that a plane thats been in service for 30 years is still one of our best planes, even the F-22 is aproaching 15 iirc and i still think even thats crazy. They may be the best planes that we know about :rofl > > In 30 years and all this shit we here about technology and the stuff thats being made, without a doubt in my mind there is some absoloutely crazy shit w ehave built and use that we will find out about in another 30 years > [@Nose panel decision thread for the Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nose-panel-decision-thread-for-the-z/47280/7): > > F-22 was apparently junk at $356 mil and can be shot down easily with a 50 cal. Its never even flown a mission in Iraq… not sure if all the talk was propaganda or not though. Either way, production is over. > [@Track prep for an Evo?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/track-prep-for-an-evo/47113/18): > > Did not know the F-22 was cut at this point. I’ve read a couple things that it has flown a few missions in Iraq. It was in “testing” for teh longest time and then a few years ago they declared it active, apparently that was short lived. > > Appears the F22 is no longer being produced, but it is in service with whats left. > [@Earth day '08](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/earth-day-08/47213/64): > > Last one was produced this week actually. As far as being shot down by a 50cal… that goes for anything. F22 will be a little bit tougher to hit due to its speed and stealth. > > Truth is, it was built for fighting USSR’s MIGs so it found itself without a job pretty quickly after it was sorted. It doesn’t do so well in the unconventional warfare where low/slow unmanned drones own the game. > [@A history of suck... (awesome update post 99, then 134)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-history-of-suck-awesome-update-post-99-then-134/47278/30): > > funny isn’t it? > > gov’t spends ~20 years and $350M designing and building a fighter from scratch, and ends up without anything to fight. and the previous fighters were doing their job satisfactorily. > > spends 1/5 that amount building a bomber that’s been in service for about 56 years now. > [@Mafdark"](#): > > At the time the project was conceived it in part was meant to be hugely expensive. The F22 and the star wars program where designed to be so expensive that the USSR would simply be unable to compete. The F22 in brief: $678 million per planes accounting most of the costs Just over 14 year production run Government Accountability Office estimates it will cost $59 billion to fix and fly the F-22s until they retire. > F-22 entered service in 2005, every other operational warplane in the U.S. arsenal has seen action in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or other conflict zones. But the tiny fleet of pricey F-22s, optimized for ultra-rare dogfighting missions, missing key upgrades and frequently grounded, [hasn’t flown a single combat sortie](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03/libya-may-give-the-f-22-its-first-wartime-test/). > **$7.4 Billion of Your Tax Dollars Are Upgrading the Never-Used F-22…** > This money could have launched the Space Shuttle 16 more times. This money could have more than doubled the budget the government spends trying to cure cancer. This money could buy 74 iMacs for every single public school in the entire country. > [@Willyville crew, Lunch?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/willyville-crew-lunch/43794/94): > > Its been said multiple times already but anyone who thinks our military dosnt have things you dont know about is foolish. If you were a government would you release your plans for the next best thing in your arsenal ? You think too highly of the government. New technologies developed does not equal a new technology in use… far from it. Speaking of jets… The trillion dollar F35 jet is still grounded due to about 13 new faults being discovered on it and it hasn’t even started full production yet. > In addition to costing more, the stealthy F-35 could take longer to complete testing. That could delay the stealthy jet’s combat debut to [sometime after 2018](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/11/fighters-fly-for-50-years/) - seven years later than originally planned. > God, money well spent.:crackup ---
**Author:** ![srads13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b19c9b/32.png) [@srads13](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/srads13)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/38 "2011-12-16T06:19:21Z")
> [@A history of suck... (awesome update post 99, then 134)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-history-of-suck-awesome-update-post-99-then-134/47278/86): > > I bet working at Groom Lake would be unreal. How cool would that be to develop shit like that. Helicopters that you can’t hear, UAVs, stealth missles, and other badassery. I had a friend of mine who went to college up at Clarkson with me, majoring in aero engineering, no exaggeration probably one of the most book smart people I’ve ever met in my entire life. Kid finished his bachelors in 3 years and masters in 4 with a 4.0 EVERY semester. He was interviewing with Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Department of Defense, etc our senior year. Kid goes home for Thanksgiving break and has two guys in all black suits with ear pieces (think men in black) show up at his door step on Thanksgiving Eve to do an interview for the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works division. For anyone who doesn’t know what that is, it’s essentially the top of the top for anyone who has aspirations of doing aero design or engineering. Quoted from Lockheeds website: " **The Skunk Works** ® **Today** [Advanced Development Programs (ADP)](http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/adp/index.html), also known as Skunk Works, has built a strong foundation of achievement in aerospace by creating breakthrough technologies and landmark aircraft that continually redefine flight. ADP’s advanced technology solutions for manned and unmanned systems draw on world-class capabilities in conceptual design, systems engineering and integration, complex project management, software development and rapid prototyping. These core ADP capabilities of today tie to the foundation of the Skunk Works where the mantra, “quick, quiet and quality,” guides each and every project from concept to flight. Anyways, so my buddy was told by these gentlemen that the face to face interview was one of the many steps that was necessary in order for him to even be considered for this division in Lockheed. He ultimately ended up going through about 4-5 more interviews, and rediculous tests (lie detector, physicals, etc) before he withdrew his “application” from Lockheed. Apparently the thing that bothered him was that he was told multiple times further down the line in the interview process that there was the potential for him to be “off the map” for several years at a time due to the secrecy of the work he would be working on. Just thought it was an interesting story. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/39 "2011-12-16T07:16:06Z")
I believe in peace through both intimidation and power. Spending on tech is ok with me… Giving money to lazy fucks and 46 percent of Americans not paying fed income tax is not. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/40 "2011-12-16T14:52:09Z")
> [@Peace Bridge goes back to the drawing board](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/peace-bridge-goes-back-to-the-drawing-board/47287/15): > > I believe in peace through both intimidation and power. Spending on tech is ok with me… Giving money to lazy fucks and 46 percent of Americans not paying fed income tax is not. Yeah like the 30 corporations that grossed billions and paid no income tax [http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/](http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/03/360185/30-corporations-no-taxes/) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797.md?page=3)