# anybody else see whats new with China?

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**Created:** [December 15, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797 "2011-12-15T04:26:33Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/19 "2011-12-15T11:04:23Z")

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> [@Nose panel decision thread for the Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nose-panel-decision-thread-for-the-z/47280/7):
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> F-22 was apparently junk at $356 mil and can be shot down easily with a 50 cal. Its never even flown a mission in Iraq… not sure if all the talk was propaganda or not though. Either way, production is over.

funny isn’t it?

gov’t spends ~20 years and $350M designing and building a fighter from scratch, and ends up without anything to fight. and the previous fighters were doing their job satisfactorily.

spends 1/5 that amount building a bomber that’s been in service for about 56 years now.

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