# anybody else see whats new with China? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 15, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797 "2011-12-15T04:26:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 37
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797/37 "2011-12-16T05:58:19Z")
I love this place sometimes :eek3 > [@A history of suck... (awesome update post 99, then 134)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-history-of-suck-awesome-update-post-99-then-134/47278/9): > > Most of you people realize that some of these weapons/aircraft we know about now, have been around for 20-30+ years before we even really heard about them > > I bet the government knew about this before the first machine to build it even started up > > They say the F-15 is still one of the best fighter jets in our arsenal aside from the F-22 which has now “Just” come into service… > > I find that hard to belive that a plane thats been in service for 30 years is still one of our best planes, even the F-22 is aproaching 15 iirc and i still think even thats crazy. They may be the best planes that we know about :rofl > > In 30 years and all this shit we here about technology and the stuff thats being made, without a doubt in my mind there is some absoloutely crazy shit w ehave built and use that we will find out about in another 30 years > [@Nose panel decision thread for the Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nose-panel-decision-thread-for-the-z/47280/7): > > F-22 was apparently junk at $356 mil and can be shot down easily with a 50 cal. Its never even flown a mission in Iraq… not sure if all the talk was propaganda or not though. Either way, production is over. > [@Track prep for an Evo?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/track-prep-for-an-evo/47113/18): > > Did not know the F-22 was cut at this point. I’ve read a couple things that it has flown a few missions in Iraq. It was in “testing” for teh longest time and then a few years ago they declared it active, apparently that was short lived. > > Appears the F22 is no longer being produced, but it is in service with whats left. > [@Earth day '08](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/earth-day-08/47213/64): > > Last one was produced this week actually. As far as being shot down by a 50cal… that goes for anything. F22 will be a little bit tougher to hit due to its speed and stealth. > > Truth is, it was built for fighting USSR’s MIGs so it found itself without a job pretty quickly after it was sorted. It doesn’t do so well in the unconventional warfare where low/slow unmanned drones own the game. > [@A history of suck... (awesome update post 99, then 134)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-history-of-suck-awesome-update-post-99-then-134/47278/30): > > funny isn’t it? > > gov’t spends ~20 years and $350M designing and building a fighter from scratch, and ends up without anything to fight. and the previous fighters were doing their job satisfactorily. > > spends 1/5 that amount building a bomber that’s been in service for about 56 years now. > [@Mafdark"](#): > > At the time the project was conceived it in part was meant to be hugely expensive. The F22 and the star wars program where designed to be so expensive that the USSR would simply be unable to compete. The F22 in brief: $678 million per planes accounting most of the costs Just over 14 year production run Government Accountability Office estimates it will cost $59 billion to fix and fly the F-22s until they retire. > F-22 entered service in 2005, every other operational warplane in the U.S. arsenal has seen action in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or other conflict zones. But the tiny fleet of pricey F-22s, optimized for ultra-rare dogfighting missions, missing key upgrades and frequently grounded, [hasn’t flown a single combat sortie](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03/libya-may-give-the-f-22-its-first-wartime-test/). > **$7.4 Billion of Your Tax Dollars Are Upgrading the Never-Used F-22…** > This money could have launched the Space Shuttle 16 more times. This money could have more than doubled the budget the government spends trying to cure cancer. This money could buy 74 iMacs for every single public school in the entire country. > [@Willyville crew, Lunch?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/willyville-crew-lunch/43794/94): > > Its been said multiple times already but anyone who thinks our military dosnt have things you dont know about is foolish. If you were a government would you release your plans for the next best thing in your arsenal ? You think too highly of the government. New technologies developed does not equal a new technology in use… far from it. Speaking of jets… The trillion dollar F35 jet is still grounded due to about 13 new faults being discovered on it and it hasn’t even started full production yet. > In addition to costing more, the stealthy F-35 could take longer to complete testing. That could delay the stealthy jet’s combat debut to [sometime after 2018](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/11/fighters-fly-for-50-years/) - seven years later than originally planned. > God, money well spent.:crackup --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-else-see-whats-new-with-china/261797)._