# Anybody knows traffic law well? Pull over inquisition. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [February 27, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465 "2009-02-27T19:34:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/1 "2009-02-27T19:34:23Z")
A friend of mine got pulled over tonight in his car because of a “blown out headlight”. Unknowing to me he had an expired/suspended license and it went on from there with the car being towed and the whole 9. Well the kicker is that the headlight was never out to begin with and still functions perfectly fine. I over heard her on the phone describing how she was going to give a ticket for the headlight being out as well but it “seems to be working now”. The question is, yes everything was done proper in the scenario besides the original validation for the traffic stop. Doesn’t the **Fruit\_of\_the\_poisonous\_tree** doctrine apply here? If the reason he got pulled over to begin with was never valid, all the other violations that were resolved after should be let go? **[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit\_of\_the\_poisonous\_tree](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree)** Very curious about this. :shifty ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/2 "2009-02-27T19:37:01Z")
Irrelevant. Your friend has no proof the light was working when the officer pulled him over. It’s the officers word that it was. It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove. And the cop doesnt have to prove anything. Edit: Fruit from the poisonous tree is usually only used for evidence in criminal law like the example on the wiki page you linked but the principal applies. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/3 "2009-02-27T19:41:34Z")
Well both of the lights work in the car, untempered since the tow, and lights generally are either blown or not. It’s innocent until proven guilty (technically) and even at the scene of violation _she_ couldn’t even prove that the light was out. It seemed like a general rule, but I wasn’t sure if it applied to traffic violations as well, which got me curious. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/4 "2009-02-27T19:50:28Z")
time to call braccini, and send him on vacation again ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/5 "2009-02-27T19:52:57Z")
If his license wasn’t suspended then he probably would’ve just got a warning for the headlight since it started working. Considering you get arrested for driving with a suspended license I think your friend is lucky or did he in fact go to jail? ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/6 "2009-02-27T19:53:32Z")
He wasn’t on vacation, Meagan was he just didn’t want to deal with people when the secretary was out :lol Got to call him anyway, the lose shopping cart that took out my mirror while I was at Advanced is apparently not covered by their insurance as an “act of nature” (high winds). I’m not even sure if it’s worth the trouble for a small claims court. ~500$ for mirror/fender. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/7 "2009-02-27T19:55:10Z")
Comprehensive ins is a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/8 "2009-02-27T19:59:49Z")
> [@JClark"](#): > > Comprehensive ins is a good thing. Only worth it when the value of the vehicle is worth the increased rate. On anything valued under $5K it isn’t, plus reporting will just raise your premium either way. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/9 "2009-02-27T20:00:08Z")
> [@WTT: my 2g AWD suspension for your stock one](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtt-my-2g-awd-suspension-for-your-stock-one/14844/2): > > He wasn’t on vacation, Meagan was he just didn’t want to deal with people when the secretary was out :lol i sent him on vacation last year with my tickets. i havent had to call him in a while. dont plan on it anytime soon. i may just go in to see Meagan. :excited ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/10 "2009-02-27T20:00:45Z")
> [@WTB: turbo kit / parts for 420a 2g n/t](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-turbo-kit-parts-for-420a-2g-n-t/14863/4): > > Only worth it when the value of the vehicle is worth the increased rate. > > On anything valued under $5K it isn’t, plus reporting will just raise your premium either way. not with allstate. unless my claim for comp. is over 1000$ my rates go un-changed. :number1 ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/11 "2009-02-27T20:31:18Z")
> [@FS: Greddy Profec B](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-greddy-profec-b/14840/4): > > i sent him on vacation last year with my tickets. i havent had to call him in a while. dont plan on it anytime soon. i may just go in to see Meagan. :excited I’m going rockclimbing with Meagan one of these upcoming weekends :tongue ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/12 "2009-02-28T00:52:03Z")
> [@Opinions on high mileage BMW E36?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/opinions-on-high-mileage-bmw-e36/14873/2): > > I’m going rockclimbing with Meagan one of these upcoming weekends :tongue good luck with that. dont be scurred. ---
**Author:** ![lconrad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lconrad/32/6314_2.png) [@lconrad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lconrad)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/13 "2009-02-28T04:13:57Z")
so when the light started to work on scene…did the cop still give your friend a ticket for it?? or just the auo?? i guess your friend could fight the tickets…but it wont be worth it…their license was fuck up plain and simple, it’s not like the cop knew that at the time of the stop…it is what it is… where i work they advise you to get your shit straight, when you go back to court they reduce the charge…no matter what they should get a lawyer for the auo… ---
**Author:** ![SXY\_TIME](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sxy_time/32/6293_2.png) [@SXY\_TIME](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SXY_TIME)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/14 "2009-02-28T09:21:03Z")
yea its pretty much the cop’s word against your friend’s so he’s pretty much screwed, but like stated earlier, lucky he didnt get arrested for driving on a suspended license…the fact he has a suspended license must say enough about his driving habits dont you think? ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast/32/6281_2.png) [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/15 "2009-02-28T09:21:05Z")
saratoga county sherriffs actually have plate readers now on top of the cars along side the lights so they dont “NEED” a valid excuse other than the fact your license came back on their monitor suspended, etc. trust me, i found out the hard way last summer. passed a cop just as i was about to cross the rexford bridge… nothing else could have provoked the traffic stop… i wasnt weaving, my windows were all down so tint wasnt a factor and i had the stock exhaust on at the time so noise levels were at a minimum…the plate reader got my plate… he saw the suspension pop up on his screen and i got yanked. kinda fuckin blows… but now that thoe plate readers are in effect they dont really need much else as far as probable cause because its right there in front of them via dmv linked computers. ya follow? ---
**Author:** ![SXY\_TIME](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sxy_time/32/6293_2.png) [@SXY\_TIME](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SXY_TIME)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/16 "2009-02-28T09:22:36Z")
oh plus end of month quota, they will pull anyone over and look for something to ticket them for ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/17 "2009-02-28T09:25:14Z")
> [@where can i get a spike for my helmet...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/where-can-i-get-a-spike-for-my-helmet/14874/13): > > saratoga county sherriffs actually have plate readers now on top of the cars along side the lights so they dont “NEED” a valid excuse other than the fact your license came back on their monitor suspended, etc. trust me, i found out the hard way last summer. passed a cop just as i was about to cross the rexford bridge… nothing else could have provoked the traffic stop… i wasnt weaving, my windows were all down so tint wasnt a factor and i had the stock exhaust on at the time so noise levels were at a minimum…the plate reader got my plate… he saw the suspension pop up on his screen and i got yanked. kinda fuckin blows… but now that thoe plate readers are in effect they dont really need much else as far as probable cause because its right there in front of them via dmv linked computers. ya follow? they only check your registration status through dmv, they have to manually look up your license which takes a couple minutes. They have no way of knowing if it’s you driving the car or not, so if the registration is valid and your drivers license is not, they can’t pull you over for that. Instead, they say one of your headlights was out and pull you over, check license… and BAM! AUO in the third. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast/32/6281_2.png) [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/18 "2009-02-28T09:27:41Z")
> [@where can i get a spike for my helmet...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/where-can-i-get-a-spike-for-my-helmet/14874/15): > > they only check your registration status through dmv, they have to manually look up your license which takes a couple minutes. They have no way of knowing if it’s you driving the car or not, so if the registration is valid and your drivers license is not, they can’t pull you over for that. Instead, they say one of your headlights was out and pull you over, check license… and BAM! AUO in the third. > > 🙂 negative… the new plate readers check the validity of the drivers license… if the plate is registered to you even if the registration and insurance is all in working order, it pops up with a message on their screen… trust me… i sat on the side of the road for 45 minutes talking to the cop about it while i was waiting for the tow truck to come get my car. :headbang ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/19 "2009-02-28T09:29:45Z")
That’s cool and all but the first cars to get them in the area were Schenectady Parking Enforcement, who share storage space in my garage. I physically rode in one of the cars and used the software, it only checked registration against whenever the database was updated. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465/20 "2009-02-28T09:29:48Z")
> [@\*\*\*\*\*Official: Mighty Meet Thread\*\*\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-mighty-meet-thread/10918/475): > > negative… the new plate readers check the validity of the drivers license… if the plate is registered to you even if the registration and insurance is all in working order, it pops up with a message on their screen… trust me… i sat on the side of the road for 45 minutes talking to the cop about it while i was waiting for the tow truck to come get my car. :headbang i gotta agree wit stupid on this one [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anybody-knows-traffic-law-well-pull-over-inquisition/242465.md?page=2)