# Anyone running or thinking about running E85? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 6, 2008, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209 "2008-06-06T08:43:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/21 "2008-06-06T09:28:23Z")
> [@Allstar Graphics](#): > > Yes, it does take more energy to produce, but you need to remember all of this is new. New ways of producing this stuff is getting better everyday, they could make, produce and refine ship all of this stuff without burning a drop of coal or fossil fuel with some of the new things comming out today. Some of the new farms are completly OFF GRID and run off of refined cowshit ( yes like madmax) So, we are spending more energy to make energy? Sounds retarded. It’s new? ethyl alcohol has been around since the late 1700s. ---
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/22 "2008-06-06T09:30:39Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > So, we are spending more energy to make energy? Sounds retarded. > > It’s new? ethyl alcohol has been around since the late 1700s. What do you think this runs on to get it from half way around the world? ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/23 "2008-06-06T09:34:36Z")
> [@IIRC](#): > > What do you think this runs on to get it from half way around the world? What is your point? Are you really comparing a ship to the billions of cars in the world? :confused ---
**Author:** ![Allstar\_Graphics](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/allstar_graphics/32/6287_2.png) [@Allstar\_Graphics](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Allstar_Graphics)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/24 "2008-06-06T09:36:23Z")
yes ethyl alc has been around for a long time, internal combustion engines have not though, New technology is getting better everyday. Why does it matter what a barge runs on to get half way across the world if we produce our OWN fuel out of things we can grow our selves? and if you really wanna get into producing bio diesel, thats a whole other picture. You can produce bio diesel out of pretty much anything, algae,seaweed, dead cats, its just an all new thing that hasnt been too developed yet since all of the regulations and stupid games the govt and big businesses play to keep their profits ---
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/25 "2008-06-06T09:36:48Z")
Its in reference to your “spending more energy to make energy” comment. That there is a tanker shipping crude. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/26 "2008-06-06T09:42:28Z")
> [@IIRC](#): > > Its in reference to your “spending more energy to make energy” comment. That there is a tanker shipping crude. Yea, we need to get the crude all over here. 🙂 I think when we have it, we should use a process that doesn’t have the consequences of E85. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/27 "2008-06-06T09:43:41Z")
> [@Allstar Graphics](#): > > yes ethyl alc has been around for a long time, internal combustion engines have not though, New technology is getting better everyday. Why does it matter what a barge runs on to get half way across the world if we produce our OWN fuel out of things we can grow our selves? and if you really wanna get into producing bio diesel, thats a whole other picture. You can produce bio diesel out of pretty much anything, algae,seaweed, dead cats, its just an all new thing that hasnt been too developed yet since all of the regulations and stupid games the govt and big businesses play to keep their profits I’m all for these ideas including make it at home but I just don’t think E85 is the way we want to go. The money we rae spending on that could be done on other alternatives with actual pros. ---
**Author:** ![Boosted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Boosted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boosted)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/28 "2008-06-06T09:58:33Z")
LOL! Every E85 thread I’ve ever read goes in this direction. a little math for ya: E85 - $2.99gal/13mpg = $0.23/mile 93 - $4.55gal/16mpg = $0.28/mile I used a worst case scenario with these numbers as I’ve seen closer to a 2mpg drop than a 3mpg drop. So I can save a nickel a mile with E85 and have the benefit of 105 octane with about 5% more horsepower and a cleaner burning engine? Sign me up. Corn isn’t the most efficient thing to use to create E85. Sugar beets and switch grass are far more efficient than corn. E85 production will begin moving in that direction as it already has in Brazil. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/29 "2008-06-06T10:04:06Z")
2MPG drop? Stoich for gasoline is 14.7 but it’s about 9.8 for E85? Also, seems to be about 20% or so adjustment to the fuel maps. But, that equates to 2MPG? :confused ---
**Author:** ![Boosted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Boosted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boosted)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/30 "2008-06-06T10:16:09Z")
E85 has oxygen in it, and gives better part throttle torque even more so with more part throttle timing. It takes 33% more fuel to reach stoich, but at that higher percentage it’s more efficient which makes up for some of that extra fuel, especially for very high compression NA cars or boosted cars with higher cylinder pressures. Most people who have tuned for E85 will tell you it’s closer to a 15%-20% mpg loss. So far I’ve seen around 2mpg loss. ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/31 "2008-06-06T12:34:32Z")
i dont understand how hybrids are bad for the environment, anybody want to enlighten me here ---
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/32 "2008-06-06T12:54:05Z")
> [@McBitchin](#): > > i dont understand how hybrids are bad for the environment, anybody want to enlighten me here > **[DUST%20PDF%20VERSION.pdf](https://www.cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/DUST%20PDF%20VERSION.pdf)** > > 3.31 MB ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/33 "2008-06-06T13:31:45Z")
table of contents ftw that would have been a very long read, page 301 is where it answers my question, thank you ---
**Author:** ![Boosted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Boosted](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boosted)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/34 "2008-06-21T08:23:50Z")
Update: I’m getting 15.X mpg around town and 20.X mpg on the highway which is within 1mpg of what I was getting on 93 octane. ;D ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209/35 "2008-06-21T08:41:04Z")
Im definately thinking about it… I need to fix my laptop so I can program for it. I have a pretty good list of pros and cons with alot of factual info in another thread… P.S. thanks Vlad for posting the link [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-running-or-thinking-about-running-e85/237209.md?page=1)