# Apexi AVC-R or HKS EVC-5 **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [January 17, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969 "2006-01-17T14:00:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![s14\_2Nv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/s14_2nv/32/5476_2.png) [@s14\_2Nv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/s14_2Nv)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/21 "2006-01-18T12:57:17Z")
external wg \> internal wg. internal wg doesn’t hold higher boost well regardless of the ebc ---
**Author:** ![Happy240sx](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/happy240sx/32/5515_2.png) [@Happy240sx](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Happy240sx)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/22 "2006-01-18T13:54:35Z")
> [@bing](#): > > internal wastegates are inaccurate i guess, iono how to explain it but things like boost creep and other problems will still arise unless you run external wastegate like Dan (happy240sx) is doing. > . Oh crap – here comes a shameless plug… ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/23 "2006-01-18T14:09:48Z")
Mine looks better with a 38mm -\> 40mm WG conversion flanges/tubes :o :hsugh: Complimentary of my dad. :bowdown: Buttload of pics to come in a few days. :noes: Where’s that oil feed (or is it water?) line supposed to be going? Under the turbo? [quote=“Happy240sx”] > [@bing](#): > > internal wastegates are inaccurate i guess, iono how to explain it but things like boost creep and other problems will still arise unless you run external wastegate like Dan (happy240sx) is doing. > . Oh crap – here comes a shameless plug… [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_SG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sasha_sg/32/5477_2.png) [@Sasha\_SG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sasha_SG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/24 "2006-01-18T14:16:09Z")
lol G dan will rape your car to peices this summer mark my words ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_SG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sasha_sg/32/5477_2.png) [@Sasha\_SG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sasha_SG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/25 "2006-01-18T14:18:42Z")
oh and bing you’re talking shit tons of the features teh AVC-R has are to compensate for the poor boost control of an actuator type controller. Things like boost drop off at high rpm and boost wobble all can be cured with good avc-r tuning 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/26 "2006-01-18T14:21:55Z")
YAY 1 Point Benson ---
**Author:** ![jammin1911](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@jammin1911](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jammin1911)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/27 "2006-01-18T14:47:25Z")
I don’t even know what we would have done without Benson on this one. ---
**Author:** ![DTS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@DTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DTS)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/28 "2006-01-18T14:56:53Z")
bing what are you talking about playa thats not true at all most of the features on the AVCR are for internal gates and there there to control boost spiking, the whole solonid duty cycle tuning which is how you control your boost is pretty much there to control spiking and rid it at every rpm point. ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/29 "2006-01-18T15:11:41Z")
> [@Sasha (Turbo)](#): > > lol G dan will rape your car to peices this summer mark my words 🤣 Looks like my cockiness has gotten to you. Ah well, if it’s gonna be someone, it may as well be dan. ---
**Author:** ![Happy240sx](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/happy240sx/32/5515_2.png) [@Happy240sx](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Happy240sx)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/30 "2006-01-18T15:20:35Z")
haha – I love this board. I pride myself on never saying anything cocky – but somehow I’m always in the middle of it. G - screw those guys. Champagne and Gold for the win!! oops - I guess THAT was my first cocky statement. 8) ---
**Author:** ![Alex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@Alex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alex)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/31 "2006-01-18T15:27:21Z")
do external wastegates yield any power gains? i’ve seen people say yes and no. you dont have a before and after dyno do you happy? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_SG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sasha_sg/32/5477_2.png) [@Sasha\_SG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sasha_SG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/32 "2006-01-18T15:53:17Z")
theoretically if there was less restriction then yes you would see HP gains but i would guess they would be small (2-3hp) but you will see midrange power gains while the internal is still building boost external will be at full boost and that area difference on a dyno is useable powaaaaaaaa ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/33 "2006-01-18T17:30:36Z")
Exact words of my guru, Mr. Corky Bell > [@Corky](#): > > Two styles of wastegate currently exist; Integral and remote. Integral implies that the wastegate is built into the turbocharger itself. The remote can be placed wherever one feels the need. Or at least in a more ideal place > > The decision as to which style to employ is one of balance between economics and performance. The nod on economics goes to the integral style. **The performance advantage, while small, is usually with the remote wastegate. _Show me an integral wastegate on a race car_**. Not much to go by but obviously if you want performance down the road, may as well go external. Nothing wrong with staying internal. ---
**Author:** ![Fobwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7ea924/32.png) [@Fobwall](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fobwall)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/34 "2006-01-18T18:17:46Z")
yay im lucky i went external! ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/35 "2006-01-18T18:48:54Z")
Anyways this topic is about an electronic boost controller so lets keep the wastegate discussion out for now. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/36 "2006-01-18T18:54:26Z")
^^^ your mom has an internal wastegate… ahahahahhahhaaaaaa…oh man anyways, electronic boost controllers are wicked awesome ---
**Author:** ![zeeshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c4cdca/32.png) [@zeeshan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zeeshan)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2006, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/37 "2006-01-20T18:40:17Z")
i will destroy both Gonad and Bing this summer. ---
**Author:** ![jammin1911](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@jammin1911](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jammin1911)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2006, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/38 "2006-01-20T18:41:14Z")
cant argue with that… any motor that requires 1000cc+ injectors must be at least kinda fast? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/39 "2006-01-20T19:06:26Z")
> [@turbozee](#): > > i will destroy both Gonad and Bing this summer. Don’t listen to this man. He runs a Mitsubishi with paper mache for intercooler piping. ---
**Author:** ![zeeshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c4cdca/32.png) [@zeeshan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zeeshan)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969/40 "2006-01-20T20:04:28Z")
muahaha 🙂 when you two are ready to race, be sure to tell me. i will be your race Tree. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apexi-avc-r-or-hks-evc-5/91969.md?page=1)