# Apple stepping up
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**Created:** [February 17, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620 "2016-02-17T05:29:20Z")
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### Author:  [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/21 "2016-02-19T09:47:36Z")
> **[Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before](https://www.thedailybeast.com/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before)**
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> A 2015 court case shows the tech giant was willing to play ball with the government before—and is only stopping now because it might ‘tarnish the Apple brand.’
Havent read the full article but it seems apple has played ball with the FBI previously.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/22 "2016-02-19T09:51:57Z")
> [@Geehee](#):
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> [Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html)
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> Havent read the full article but it seems apple has played ball with the FBI previously.
I think what people fail to get from that is that iOS changed since 2008…A lot of things have also changed in peoples thoughts on surveillance etc since 2013(Snowden)
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/23 "2016-02-19T10:03:21Z")
Apple is using this as a media spotlight. The uproar is the precedence this creates with companies being forced to talk who under law are people and should have the first amendment protect them.
They shouldn’t comply and I bet this is the last time they get served without a gag order but this request isn’t breaking encryption in a way or impossible. They are asking Apple for something they already have which is their company production certificate. The firmware they are running has features built in which can be accessed simply with this production certificate and the ECID of the phone by creating a RAM disk. This would only work on one device but again, it would show that Apple does have the way to break into phones and really hurt their markets internationally showing this ability and willingness to comply with the US government.
If this phone was a 6 they are screwed since the OS protection and lock is OS based in the software and not in the hardware of the phone and actually a pretty secure device.
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/24 "2016-02-19T10:13:38Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> I think what people fail to get from that is that iOS changed since 2008…A lot of things have also changed in peoples thoughts on surveillance etc since 2013(Snowden)
To elaborate, TechCrunch did a good job on this: [No, Apple Has Not Unlocked 70 iPhones For Law Enforcement | TechCrunch](http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/18/no-apple-has-not-unlocked-70-iphones-for-law-enforcement/)
The New York case involves an iPhone running iOS 7. On devices running iOS 7 and previous, Apple actually has the capability to _extract_ data, including (at various stages in its encryption march) contacts, photos, calls and iMessages _without unlocking the phones._ That last bit is key, because in the previous cases where Apple has complied with legitimate government requests for information, this is the method it has used.
It’s not like Apple doesn’t want to help law enforcement, but they are not going to do so in any way that is unethical and puts at risk their customer’s trust.
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/25 "2016-02-19T10:23:44Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#):
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> It’s not like Apple doesn’t want to help law enforcement, but they are not going to do so in any way that is unethical and puts at risk their customer’s trust.
Be real here. Apple doesn’t care about customers data. You know how many private APIs Twitter, Facebook, and other advertising and data mining apps have access to in the OS that most users don’t know about? They care about their margin. They are breaking into markets with major security concerns. They just proved their phones are secure in trying to push more in China. You really think they would expand there if they bent over backwards for the US (or any) government?
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/26 "2016-02-19T10:29:50Z")
> [@boxxa](#):
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> Be real here. Apple doesn’t care about customers data. You know how many private APIs Twitter, Facebook, and other advertising and data mining apps have access to in the OS that most users don’t know about? They care about their margin. They are breaking into markets with major security concerns. They just proved their phones are secure in trying to push more in China. You really think they would expand there if they bent over backwards for the US (or any) government?
Their phones being secure doesn’t help the China market…That would be the opposite of what the Chinese government would want.
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### Author:  [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/27 "2016-02-19T10:42:49Z")
> **[Rapid Response: Why Apple shouldn't give in to the FBI](https://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/76820006-Rapid-Response-Should-Apple-submit-to-the-FBI/)**
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> At stake here is more than the collection of information from one terrorist’s secure, government-issued mobile phone
Even other agencies agree that Apple is good on this one.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/28 "2016-02-19T11:02:34Z")
US is getting its self in a mess right now because on one side they’re pushing for all this cyber security which includes extremely strong encryption on the other hand you have the same organizations crying that the encryption keeps them out.
It’s made even better by the people bitching about everything not understanding the first thing about encryption or backdoors.
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> **[Put away the tin-foil: The Apple unlock case is complicated enough | Darth Null](https://darthnull.org/2016/02/19/apple-backdoor/)**
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> A high-level summary of what we know, what we think we know, and what we know we don't know, as well as some words of caution.
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/29 "2016-02-19T11:37:34Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> Their phones being secure doesn’t help the China market…That would be the opposite of what the Chinese government would want.
But them helping the US government is not looked at highly if all the US had to do was ask and Apple instantly decrypt a phone for them. How worried we are about products from china trying to hack us, imagine if Apple was openly colluding with western governments how bad that would be for their sales.
My biggest entertainment is you are having a big case where a company (who by law is a person) being forced to speak and violating their 1st amendment right in the wake of security and terrorism and even the right wing politicians giving them heat for it however any mention of a background check on a gun which was used to do the killing and the whole world is up in arms about the constitution.
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/30 "2016-02-19T11:37:39Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> … people bitching about everything not understanding…
That flow chart you posted doesn’t help, lol.
I’m on Apple’s side here and would like to see this challenged. If Apple is forced to do it then the bad guys will simply move to different forms of communication and the rest of us are left with an encryptionless world.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/31 "2016-02-19T11:54:24Z")
> [@boxxa](#):
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> But them helping the US government is not looked at highly if all the US had to do was ask and Apple instantly decrypt a phone for them. How worried we are about products from china trying to hack us, imagine if Apple was openly colluding with western governments how bad that would be for their sales.
China sucks 🙂
Speaking of playing nice you know Microsoft was able to sell their OS in China? They had to provide the source code to their government that same government that writes 0day to hack the US government.
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And this just happened
[http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-doj-idUSKCN0VS2FT](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-doj-idUSKCN0VS2FT)
U.S. files motion to force Apple to obey iPhone order: court
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/32 "2016-02-19T11:58:21Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> US is getting its self in a mess right now because on one side they’re pushing for all this cyber security which includes extremely strong encryption on the other hand you have the same organizations crying that the encryption keeps them out.
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> It’s made even better by the people bitching about everything not understanding the first thing about encryption or backdoors.
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> [https://darthnull.org/apple-backdoor/](http://darthnull.org/2016/02/19/apple-backdoor)
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If this was a iPhone 6 I think the delays and lockouts is on the SoC which makes it impossible to do. A signed binary with Apples cert could backdoor the Delays and Lockout part of this diagram and what the FBI is looking to do. Most off the shelf brute forces can crack a 4 digit pin in an hour but if you have the device wipe issue, they need that removed.
I am really curious what they think is on the phone they are trying to find or if there is some wild goose chase they are on.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/33 "2016-02-19T12:00:37Z")
Guys the problem has been solved
**McAfee will break iPhone crypto for FBI in 3 weeks or eat shoe on live TV**
[McAfee will break iPhone crypto for FBI in 3 weeks or eat shoe on live TV | Ars Technica](http://arstechnica.co.uk/staff/2016/02/mcafee-will-break-iphone-crypto-for-fbi-in-3-weeks-or-eat-shoe-on-live-tv/)
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> [@boxxa](#):
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> I am really curious what they think is on the phone they are trying to find or if there is some wild goose chase they are on.
It’s part of the political agenda from the FBI on their full court press against encryption hoping they can use terrorism in the US to sway public perception.
This is his WORK phone they’re trying to access not his personal which why it makes it seem less plausible it holds anything useful.
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/34 "2016-02-19T12:03:42Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> It’s part of the political agenda from the FBI on their full court press against encryption hoping they can use terrorism in the US to sway public perception.
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> This is his WORK phone they’re trying to access not his personal which why it makes it seem less plausible it holds anything useful.
Yep. Just like the patriot act after 9/11 that went through, we now have this “encryption is for terrorists!” media storm and those that don’t understand it and the consequences are pushing it in the wrong direction. I use VPN most of the time, Tor, Bitcoin, encrypted chat and mail, and encrypted laptop. I am probably on some watchlist.
This part is getting really scary that the goverment is pushing on blaming Apple for creating a phone to defeat warrants sold to terrorists.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/35 "2016-02-19T12:05:15Z")
Its just really entertaining to sit in talks from the FBI while they bitch about cyber crime and how companies need to increase security while watching their director discuss needing to backdoor encryption mechanisms because they don’t understand how math works.
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/36 "2016-02-19T12:07:50Z")
> [@boxxa](#):
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> … right wing politicians giving them heat for it…
Someone is reading too much HuffPo. Unless they’ve changed their stances in the last day there are several in the GOP who are not expressly on the side of Apple giving in to the FBI.
> [@boxxa](#):
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> … any mention of a background check on a gun which was used to do the killing and the whole world is up in arms about the constitution.
The assumption that a criminal, who by definition is someone who ignores the law, is going to submit to a background check then willingly give up their plans to murder a crowd of people because you denied them one path to obtaining a firearm is absurd.
Besides, California already has background checks for firearms: [Frequently Asked Questions | State of California - Department of Justice - Office of the Attorney General](https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs)
They’d likely just get a weapon on the black market or through a straw buyer… wait that sounds familiar…
> … Authorities are charging Marquez with buying those guns on behalf of Farook — a violation of the law, but one that’s often hard to prove in court
> **[Charges Brought Against Man Who Bought Guns Used In San Bernardino Attack](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/17/460113233/charges-brought-against-man-who-bought-guns-used-in-san-bernardino-attack)**
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> Enrique Marquez purchased the assault-style rifles used on Dec. 2. He and Syed Farook had planned a different attack in 2011 and 2012, which they never carried out, officials say.
:tinfoilhat:
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/37 "2016-02-19T12:25:19Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#):
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> Someone is reading too much HuffPo. Unless they’ve changed their stances in the last day there are several in the GOP who are not expressly on the side of Apple giving in to the FBI.
Yea these people aren’t really important…
Rubio
Kaisch
Trump
Burr (Head of Senate Intelligence Committee)
> [@Onyx Z32](#):
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> The assumption that a criminal, who by definition is someone who ignores the law, is going to submit to a background check then willingly give up their plans to murder a crowd of people because you denied them one path to obtaining a firearm is absurd.
Oh sorry, forgot I can just go down to my local gehtto and use the black market app on my phone to find a highly ranked arms dealer if I had a history of being violent and would fail a simple background check. They take paypal right?
I am just saying people seem to be turning a blind eye to the constitutional rights pushed to be violated and no one seems to really care about that over the fear of “terrorists use encryption” and we need back doors when in reality, its not hard to build 100% secure communication channels but you mention anything gun related and people flip shit as I have demonstrated.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/38 "2016-02-19T12:34:59Z")
> [@boxxa](#):
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> I am just saying people seem to be turning a blind eye to the constitutional rights pushed to be violated and no one seems to really care about that over the fear of “terrorists use encryption” and we need back doors when in reality, its not hard to build 100% secure communication channels but you mention anything gun related and people flip shit as I have demonstrated.
It’s really more divided then you make it out to be.
There are democrats who think Apple should decrypt
There are republicans who think Apple should decrypt
There are people who are pro 2A who think Apple should decrypt
There are people who are anti 2A who think Apple should decrypt
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/39 "2016-02-19T12:35:39Z")
> [@boxxa](#):
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> Yea these people aren’t really important…
> Rubio
3:45 in:
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-dWADdA7WA)
Typical Dem wants others to do the work for him 😉
> [@boxxa](#):
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> Oh sorry, forgot I can just go down to my local gehtto…
So I take it you’re not going to dispute that a background check wouldn’t have stopped the San Bernardino shooting?
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### Author:  [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2016, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/apple-stepping-up/273620/40 "2016-02-19T12:38:07Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> be violated and no one seems to really care about that over the fear of “terrorists use encryption” and we need back doors when in reality, its not hard to build 100% secure communication channels but you mention anything gun related and people flip shit as I have demonstrated.
It’s really more divided then you make it out to be.[/QUOTE]
I guess 3 of the 4 top front runners of the GOP presidential ticket and the leader of the Senete committee creating laws direction our intelligence and information gathering more than “divided”
And no, that is a bigger issue. They never did give out details how they obtained them through a failure of current laws from the dealers or if they used another means did they? I am not saying its flawless or will work, just for the 100th time, we have more people using guns than encryption but look where they want to breach the constitutional rights with getting people to comply with the government.
HAHAHAHA
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