# AR-15. Gun ppl come here **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 18, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340 "2010-01-18T13:04:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/21 "2010-01-18T17:21:44Z")
As for bolt guns both Reminton and Savage make great rifles. Currently Savage has some nicer factory features like the accutrigger and the new accustock. It is hard to beat the accutriger in a factory gun. I recently sold one of my 700’s and purchased my first Savage center fire bolt gun. I am really impressed with the fit and finish of the new savage, and I can not wait to get the base, rings and optics on it and get it broke in. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/22 "2010-01-18T17:30:01Z")
> [@Spam16v](#): > > go Savage. been to a few competitive shoots, and the old men always say nothing shoots better out of the box than a Savage, even a cheap one. might not be as glamorous as the big money Rem’s and Win’s, but they work solid for what they are. My dad is a member of a gun club. I talked to a few of the guys in there that work for the police dept as sharp shooters/snipers. A lot of the guys swear by Savage rifles. relatively inexpensive, and very very accurate. This guy there had just finished shooting when my father and I pulled up to the range to do some target practicing. He shot a .510" group at 100 yards with a savage .223. Thats pretty fucking impressive. 6 rounds in an area smaller than a dime at 300’. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/23 "2010-01-18T17:33:33Z")
> [@bpipe95](#): > > As for bolt guns both Reminton and Savage make great rifles. > > Currently Savage has some nicer factory features like the accutrigger and the new accustock. It is hard to beat the accutriger in a factory gun. > > I recently sold one of my 700’s and purchased my first Savage center fire bolt gun. I am really impressed with the fit and finish of the new savage, and I can not wait to get the base, rings and optics on it and get it broke in. what model/cal? ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/24 "2010-01-18T17:35:52Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > My dad is a member of a gun club. I talked to a few of the guys in there that work for the police dept as sharp shooters/snipers. A lot of the guys swear by Savage rifles. relatively inexpensive, and very very accurate. This guy there had just finished shooting when my father and I pulled up to the range to do some target practicing. He shot a .510" group at 100 yards with a savage .223. Thats pretty fucking impressive. 6 rounds in an area smaller than a dime at 300’. not knocking your friend but that group size isn’t really THAT impressive at 100 yards. I can do that iron sights on an AR15. Don’t get me wrong that’s great but not spectacular. If he has that group at 300 yards I’d be a little more impressed out of a bolt gun. ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/25 "2010-01-18T17:38:36Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > what model/cal? The new 10 Precision Carbine in .308 I gotta say I am really digging this thing! ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/26 "2010-01-18T17:41:01Z")
> [@Freek](#): > > not knocking your friend but that group size isn’t really THAT impressive at 100 yards. I can do that iron sights on an AR15. Don’t get me wrong that’s great but not spectacular. If he has that group at 300 yards I’d be a little more impressed out of a bolt gun. it was a brand new out of the box riffle that he was just playing with becuase he had never fired it yet. Just saying that out of the box savage makes some really great guns. I want to get something that will be a tac driver at 300+ yards. But I dont want to spend 1500 on a rifle. If I had the extra cash I so would though. I am thinkin of picking up a Marlin lever action .30-.30. They are great mid range rifles. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/27 "2010-01-18T17:43:13Z")
> [@bpipe95](#): > > The new 10 Precision Carbine in .308 > > I gotta say I am really digging this thing! very nice! I would like to pick up a used rifle in decent condition. I dont care if something is new or used. Accuracy is what I focus on. ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/28 "2010-01-18T17:48:15Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > very nice! I would like to pick up a used rifle in decent condition. I dont care if something is new or used. Accuracy is what I focus on. No reason to buy used, just pick up a stevens (aka a savage 10) in .223 or .308. The prices on them new is pretty darn low and with a few changes you can not beat them for the price. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/29 "2010-01-18T17:51:26Z")
true. I know stevens is built by savage. Even a new basic Savage rifle is only like $4-500. Throw on a semidecent scope and you got yourself a butt kickin rifle. ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/30 "2010-01-18T19:40:17Z")
I have a Stevens .223 with scope for $350… Just sayin ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/31 "2010-01-18T22:25:22Z")
hows the accuracy and at what distance? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/32 "2010-01-18T22:27:54Z")
> [@sobo"](#): > > I’m looking to buy an AR-15. There are a bunch of companies that make em, and If I’m spending $1000 I want the highest quality one I can buy. > > 1. What are some good budget AR-15’s to buy? > 2. What’s the shortest possible upper you can legally run? > > I want a 10.5" carbine, although if that’s not possible I’ll settle for something a little longer. > > THX! Bushmaster, Colt, Armalite, RRA, DPMS and S&W. You can’t really go wrong with any big name brand. You should be able to purchase what you want with $1000. Shortest barrel you can run on a rifle is 16" without be considered a SBR short barreled rifle. For a 10.5" carbine you would have to move from NYS and pay the ATF a tax stamp ---
**Author:** ![Jack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jack/32/7613_2.png) [@Jack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jack)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/33 "2010-01-19T07:24:09Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > 6 rounds in an area smaller than a dime at 300’. > [@Freek](#): > > I can do that iron sights on an AR15. :shoot: I can’t even see a dime @ 300’, let alone shoot it 6 times. ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/34 "2010-01-19T08:09:00Z")
Rem 700 is better than the savage. There’s a reason it’s used by the military and LE ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/35 "2010-01-19T08:16:21Z")
> [@vq30de](#): > > Rem 700 is better than the savage. There’s a reason it’s used by the military and LE lol this is an argument that will go on forever. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/36 "2010-01-19T08:17:22Z")
> [@Jack](#): > > :shoot: > > I can’t even see a dime @ 300’, let alone shoot it 6 times. LOL its not being discussed as hitting a target that size. It is replicating the same shot multiple times in a row using sight picture, trigger squeeze, etc etc resulting in a shot group of said size. ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/37 "2010-01-19T08:28:44Z")
> [@vq30de](#): > > Rem 700 is better than the savage. There’s a reason it’s used by the military and LE The Rem 700 is the standard in the industry. It’s what every other bolt rifle is compared to. Which is why military rifles like the M24 and M40 were influenced by its design. But it does not necessarily mean the 700 is the best bolt rifle out there. I personally own a 700 LTR (light tactical rifle) chambered in .308" which is modded a bit from a standard 700 and its accuracy is unreal. ---
**Author:** ![Jack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jack/32/7613_2.png) [@Jack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jack)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/38 "2010-01-19T08:41:11Z")
> [@cougarspeed](#): > > LOL its not being discussed as hitting a target that size. It is replicating the same shot multiple times in a row using sight picture, trigger squeeze, etc etc resulting in a shot group of said size. I see, grouping. My eyes wouldn’t allow sight picture @ 300’ anyway. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/39 "2010-01-19T08:43:23Z")
> [@Jack](#): > > I see, grouping. My eyes wouldn’t allow sight picture @ 300’ anyway. I just shoot the same black blob over and over when going 300+yards on iron sights hahah. Works surprisingly well!!! ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340/40 "2010-01-19T09:04:53Z")
> [@cougarspeed](#): > > I just shoot the same black blob over and over when going 300+yards on iron sights hahah. Works surprisingly well!!! :word: If I have a good pair of glasses on I can see it fine but without it’s the same blob in the same area over and over still. My right eye is still pretty good without glasses. > [@d3x](#): > > The Rem 700 is the standard in the industry. It’s what every other bolt rifle is compared to. Which is why military rifles like the M24 and M40 were influenced by its design. But it does not necessarily mean the 700 is the best bolt rifle out there. I personally own a 700 LTR (light tactical rifle) chambered in .308" which is modded a bit from a standard 700 and its accuracy is unreal. I’ve been looking at this exact one among a few other 700’s for a bit. I’ve got enough scope time with an M24 which is why I’m leaning this way. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ar-15-gun-ppl-come-here/78340.md?page=3)