# Are you Democrat, Republican, or Southerner? **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 12, 2007, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504 "2007-06-12T22:00:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/21 "2007-06-14T08:14:50Z")
> [@RallyX](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rallyx/30763/2): > > But that’s not the topic of this debate. Having the DESIRE to help your fellow man when he’s down does not make you a pussy. Agreed. I defend neither Rs or Ds, I cannot find a worthy candidate in either party, except for Ron Paul, but all the other Republicans hate him, so he’s a little different. The media won’t even cover him because he is exactly what this country needs. Federal power and spending need to be gutted as you put it Darkstar. I saw a good quote in someone’s signature on another forum. “Diapers and politicians must be changed often, and for the same reason.” ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/22 "2007-06-14T08:21:35Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/30752/5): > > wtf does that have to do with republicans or democrats? your blanket statements are retarded. ‘desire to help your fellow man’ is clearly as personal choice, rather than a political affiliation… > > … fag i’m not making blanket statements. i’m trying to REFUTE blanket statements. But i can understand how you missed that. Having a cock tickling the back of your throat can be a bit disconcerting. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/23 "2007-06-14T08:24:06Z")
> [@FS: custom titles slight\_smile NEW LOW COST](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-custom-titles-new-low-cost/30761/10): > > Agreed. > > I defend neither Rs or Ds, I cannot find a worthy candidate in either party, except for Ron Paul, but all the other Republicans hate him, so he’s a little different. The media won’t even cover him because he is exactly what this country needs. Federal power and spending need to be gutted as you put it Darkstar. > > I saw a good quote in someone’s signature on another forum. > > “Diapers and politicians must be changed often, and for the same reason.” Ron Paul is a Libertarian running as a republican. I love him to death. If you like Ron Paul, you should check out Joe Biden. He’s not nearly as conservative as Paul, but he’s rooted in reality and is an extremely rational, experienced, intelligent guy. I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that Obama and Hillary take each other out and he gets the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/24 "2007-06-14T08:37:17Z")
Ron Paul and Joe Biden? WTF dude…they are not similar at all. I could see you favorably comparing Joe Biden and John McCain…but Joe Biden and Ron Paul? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/25 "2007-06-14T09:00:04Z")
Joe Biden [http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Joe\_Biden.htm](http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Joe_Biden.htm) > # Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005) > > # Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000) > > #Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001) > #Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005) > #Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003) > > # Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003) > > # Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001) > > #Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006) > #Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006) > #Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996) I’ll agree that he’s less socialist than the average Democrat, but please don’t vote for him, he is nothing like Ron Paul, in fact I don’t know what you see that’s good about that candidate. Gun Control is a major issue, any politician who wants to restrict them more, doesn’t support the constitution. If they are too stupid to understand the 2nd amendment they shouldn’t be in office. If they do understand it, and they want to take power out of the hands of the people, then they shouldn’t be in office. There is no good way to oppose guns in this country. ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/26 "2007-06-14T09:04:04Z")
> [@FS: Konig wheels 17x7 \*\*now with pics\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-konig-wheels-17x7-now-with-pics/30712/7): > > Gun Control is a major issue, any politician who wants to restrict them more, doesn’t support the constitution. If they are too stupid to understand the 2nd amendment they shouldn’t be in office. If they do understand it, and they want to take power out of the hands of the people, then they shouldn’t be in office. There is no good way to oppose guns in this country. Cheers, spot on ol’ chap. ---
**Author:** ![Zack01GC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a183cd/32.png) [@Zack01GC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zack01GC)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/27 "2007-06-14T09:28:33Z")
I’m a Democrat (albeit fairly conservative), but I don’t think I would be classified into the stereotype in the first post. Pretty sure I would go bang as well. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/28 "2007-06-14T09:35:09Z")
> [@NYSpeed Track Day #1 - Friday June 15th, 2007](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-track-day-1-friday-june-15th-2007/26320/325): > > Ron Paul and Joe Biden? WTF dude…they are not similar at all. > > I could see you favorably comparing Joe Biden and John McCain…but Joe Biden and Ron Paul? Wow. i choose my politicians on who I think would be a good leader overall, not on what they voted on what bill or whatever. Previous voting records can be so misleading. Like Biden just voted to fund the troops, but he’s been screaming for an immediate withdraw or all American troops from Iraq for well over a year. He’s a sensible leader with a good head on his shoulder. He has tons of experience, is masterful when it comes to foreign policy, and would be an amazing president. Bill Maher, who is also super Libertarian, is both huge Biden and Ron Paul fans. That being said, my favorite politician of all time used to be McCain, but he’s turned into a massive douche over the last couple years. Such a shame. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/29 "2007-06-14T09:41:17Z")
> [@FS: 1991 Nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-1991-nissan/30758/17): > > i choose my politicians on who I think would be a good leader overall, not on what they voted on what bill or whatever. So let’s just get this straight…you go with who you THINK will be a good leader, and you aren’t concerned with how that person votes… Interesting way of going about it. I judge a man’s character by his actions, whether or not he takes a stand for things he says he believes. Bush has been a horrific hypocrite in that regard. Ron Paul always votes against congressional pay-raises, that’s a leader I want in office. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/30 "2007-06-14T09:52:21Z")
> [@FS: Konig wheels 17x7 \*\*now with pics\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-konig-wheels-17x7-now-with-pics/30712/7): > > Joe Biden > [Joe Biden on the Issues](http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Joe_Biden.htm) > > I’ll agree that he’s less socialist than the average Democrat, but please don’t vote for him, he is nothing like Ron Paul, in fact I don’t know what you see that’s good about that candidate. > > Gun Control is a major issue, any politician who wants to restrict them more, doesn’t support the constitution. If they are too stupid to understand the 2nd amendment they shouldn’t be in office. If they do understand it, and they want to take power out of the hands of the people, then they shouldn’t be in office. There is no good way to oppose guns in this country. Biden on Iraq: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-2M3LQ-U4k) ---
**Author:** ![Quik83Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik83z/32/6042_2.png) [@Quik83Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik83Z)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/31 "2007-06-14T10:00:39Z")
> [@Calling out Orange S-10 Xtreme](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/calling-out-orange-s-10-xtreme/30757/11): > > I love how Democrats get shit on for wanting to help their fellow man. Like being a good person makes them a pussy or something. Democrats want to create a huge socialistic dependency class through more and more social programs in the guise of “helping their fellow man”. The real motive behind all this is power and money. The more people that they can make dependent on government programs, (started, maintained, and supported by Democrats), the more automatic votes they have in every election. This allows them to hold on to the power they desperately crave. Not to say that I am not totally disappointed in the Republican party in the last 7 years either. They were once the conservative party, but now I do not see much difference between them and the Democrats. If Libertarians had a snowball’s chance in hell of electing anyone, I would be right there with them. Maybe we need a new party, lets just call it the CommonSense party. Our platform would be built on conservative principles like smaller government only performing absolutely necessary government functions (like national defense, building roads, etc.). Stupid ideas like political correctness and affirmative action would be no longer supported. More freedom for individuals would be the norm. Implement the fair tax and watch our economy take off and destroy China’s. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/32 "2007-06-14T10:10:14Z")
> [@making a 1g dsm rally capable?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/making-a-1g-dsm-rally-capable/30294/10): > > So let’s just get this straight…you go with who you THINK will be a good leader, and you aren’t concerned with how that person votes… > > Interesting way of going about it. I judge a man’s character by his actions, whether or not he takes a stand for things he says he believes. Bush has been a horrific hypocrite in that regard. Ron Paul always votes against congressional pay-raises, that’s a leader I want in office. I look at how a person votes, but i take it with a grain of salt. Like if a republican makes a bill that says " its not ok to rape children" and someone down the line tacks in a addendum that says “but it will now be legal to hunt black people as you would phesants” and then someone votes against it, people will say “oh, so and so must think its ok to rape children because they voted against that bill” a persons voting record is not always indicative of a persons stance on an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/33 "2007-06-14T10:17:24Z")
> [@Quik83Z"](#): > > Democrats want to create a huge socialistic dependency class through more and more social programs in the guise of “helping their fellow man”. The real motive behind all this is power and money. The more people that they can make dependent on government programs, (started, maintained, and supported by Democrats), the more automatic votes they have in every election. This allows them to hold on to the power they desperately crave. interesing point of view. I don’t believe it to be true, but its interesting. > Not to say that I am not totally disappointed in the Republican party in the last 7 years either. They were once the conservative party, but now I do not see much difference between them and the Democrats. unfortunately, you’re right on that one. > Maybe we need a new party, lets just call it the CommonSense party. Our platform would be built on conservative principles like smaller government only performing absolutely necessary government functions (like national defense, building roads, etc.). Stupid ideas like political correctness and affirmative action would be no longer supported. More freedom for individuals would be the norm. Implement the fair tax and watch our economy take off and destroy China’s. you just perfeclt ydescribed the Libertarian party ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/34 "2007-06-14T11:05:41Z")
> [@Quik83Z"](#): > > Maybe we need a new party, lets just call it the CommonSense party. Our platform would be built on conservative principles… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/35 "2007-06-14T11:20:49Z")
> [@Quik83Z"](#): > > If Libertarians had a snowball’s chance in hell of electing anyone, I would be right there with them. And there we have the problem folks… Not only do you understand the political machine called liberalism and oppose it, but you understand the solution. HOWEVER…you think, that supporting a “loser” is not a good solution, so you don’t support the Libertarian party, and it continues to be a loser because people like you won’t change their party affiliation to coincide with their conscience. The Libertarians are the party you want, but you somehow think some “new” party will have a better chance? Libertarians rank 3rd with # of people in office, I think you can guess the first 2. Get on board, and get your friends on board, otherwise we’re doomed to the socialistic state that you described. We may be doomed to it anyway, but at least move in the right direction. Don’t abandon the party that embodies your beliefs just because they won’t put a candidate in the White House this year. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/36 "2007-06-14T11:22:42Z")
you’re out of your fucking mind if you think this is a socialist state. i’d EMBRACE a socialist state. this is a land of compromise that satisfies neither side. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/37 "2007-06-14T11:40:47Z")
[quote=“ShalerPunk,post:3,topic:30768"”] i’d EMBRACE a socialist state. [/quote] I didn’t say it is, I said the left wants to make it one. There are plenty of them in existence already, in fact, I hear great things about medicine in Canada from my friends who live there…:weak: Go try one out for a while, and see if you still say the same thing. And I mean get a job there…if you can, hahaha. A vacation doesn’t count because it won’t reveal the economic demons of the socialist state. ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/38 "2007-06-14T11:43:24Z")
> i’d EMBRACE a socialist state. You’re crazy…socialism sucks. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/39 "2007-06-14T11:45:13Z")
> [@Brent got his FD running (vid of his first run inside)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/brent-got-his-fd-running-vid-of-his-first-run-inside/30768/6): > > You’re crazy…socialism sucks. you’re right. social democracy is what i really want. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2007, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504/40 "2007-06-14T11:48:21Z")
The problem with socialist policies is the idea of having people eating from the federal teat. It gives people a reason to come into the country and scam the system for handouts…we have that problem already. > From the L.A. Times > > 1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million > people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because > they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card. > > 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. > > 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal > aliens. > > 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien > Mexicans on > Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers. > > 5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are > Mexican > nationals here illegally. > > 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in > garages. > > 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most > likely > illegal aliens from south of the border. > > 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. > > 9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking. > > 10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak > Spanish. > (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County. ) > > ``` > (All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times) > > ``` > > Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on > welfare. > Over 70% of the United States ’ annual population growth (and over 90% > of California , Florida , and New York) results from immigration. > > 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-democrat-republican-or-southerner/190504.md?page=3)