# Are you kidding? GM insanity inside. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 17, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024 "2008-01-17T20:13:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FightinMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@FightinMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FightinMike)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/1 "2008-01-17T20:13:37Z")
[GM says the new fuel requirements will add $6000 to the price of cars](http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN1551870320080115?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews&sp=true) > “We’ve done the research and it’s going to cost us **$4,000 on some vehicles and $10,000 on others, with an average of about $6,000** ,” Bob Lutz told reporters at the North American International Auto Show. > > **“That cost will have to be passed on to consumers,”** Lutz, a long-time vocal critic of federal fuel regulations, said. This will never, ever fly. I see people flocking towards imports if they try to pull this off. ---
**Author:** ![Rsnake91](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rsnake91/32/4996_2.png) [@Rsnake91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rsnake91)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/2 "2008-01-17T20:17:44Z")
thats totaly bs… gm is fucking retarded for doing that. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/3 "2008-01-17T20:18:33Z")
its a scare tactic to get customers to understand how the government is trying to determine what kind of cars you drive ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/4 "2008-01-17T20:22:50Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > its a scare tactic to get customers to understand how the government is trying to determine what kind of cars you drive Ditto. And honestly, I hope it works. The Government needs to stay the fuck out of it for the most part. Safety is one thing- but we know full fucking well that mileage means SHIT! Getting more miles per tank? people will drive more… it wont save a damn thing, and the oil cmpanies will just raise their prices. All its going to result in is a dead performance car market that is currently thriving, a bunch of new “taxes” that they can tack onto your new car, and a bunch of useless trucks that cant get out of their own fucking way… And of course… a bunch of wrong directions into alternative fuel. ---
**Author:** ![FightinMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@FightinMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FightinMike)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/5 "2008-01-17T20:25:50Z")
Well, we’ve already seen on direction that they’re going to take. By canceling a V8 in favor of a turbo V6 that will produce better numbers on paper. They have 12 years to design or improve on existing engines to boost the mpg figures. Its not even a huge increase, +10 mpg in most cases. The really hard hit are going to be their trucks. ---
**Author:** ![FBodyMadnezz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fbodymadnezz/32/7433_2.png) [@FBodyMadnezz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FBodyMadnezz)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/6 "2008-01-17T20:27:20Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > Ditto. > > And honestly, I hope it works. The Government needs to stay the fuck out of it for the most part. > > Safety is one thing- but we know full fucking well that mileage means SHIT! Getting more miles per tank? people will drive more… it wont save a damn thing, and the oil cmpanies will just raise their prices. All its going to result in is a dead performance car market that is currently thriving, a bunch of new “taxes” that they can tack onto your new car, and a bunch of useless trucks that cant get out of their own fucking way… > > And of course… a bunch of wrong directions into alternative fuel. qft ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/7 "2008-01-17T20:27:57Z")
o god they cant get their na motors right, if they try to go turbo its gonna be a disaster ---
**Author:** ![camarojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c67d28/32.png) [@camarojoe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/camarojoe)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/8 "2008-01-17T20:33:17Z")
Guess my next car will be a used car. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/9 "2008-01-17T20:40:10Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > o god they cant get their na motors right, if they try to go turbo its gonna be a disaster Can’t get NA right? Have you seen the new 3.6 in the Caddy? ---
**Author:** ![Garick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8797f3/32.png) [@Garick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Garick)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/10 "2008-01-17T20:40:12Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > its a scare tactic to get customers to understand how the government is trying to determine what kind of cars you drive agreed, GM is gonna do all they can to fight these regulations rather than develop the product ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/11 "2008-01-17T20:46:22Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > o god they cant get their na motors right, if they try to go turbo its gonna be a disaster :lol: Yeah. The LS series of motors is/was a complete disaster. ---
**Author:** ![nelstoys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/48db29/32.png) [@nelstoys](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nelstoys)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/12 "2008-01-17T21:13:46Z")
Another nail in that coffin. ---
**Author:** ![SoloIIscoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/13 "2008-01-17T21:54:23Z")
IB4yetanotherreasonwhyGMsucks oh wait. damnit.:crap: ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/14 "2008-01-17T22:15:22Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#): > > o god they cant get their na motors right, if they try to go turbo its gonna be a disaster you are an idiot, :crap: ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/15 "2008-01-18T04:31:57Z")
Also the turbocharged direct injection Dual VVT ecotec 2.0L 4 cylinder (260 horsepower at 5300 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. of torque at 2500 rpm) is not a horrible engine. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/16 "2008-01-18T04:45:59Z")
> [@Garick](#): > > agreed, GM is gonna do all they can to fight these regulations rather than develop the product Can you blame them… Isn’t product development where they cut the most corners? ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/17 "2008-01-18T05:22:06Z")
its just corporate boasting / postiering (sp). It may have been more effective 10 years ago, because you won’t see the competitors making such noise so publicly. Basically doesn’t help the marketing group. lol ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/18 "2008-01-18T05:30:32Z")
GM’s been headed towards death/rebirth for a long time. This is just another step towards “General Motors, a subsidiary of Toyota Motor Corp.” ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/19 "2008-01-18T05:32:49Z")
they were actually making progress for a while there. Quality & satisfaction ratings had been creeping up, UAW contract, heavy marketing, cost cuts, etc… But everytime they get rolling, they shoot themselves in the tire. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024/20 "2008-01-18T05:43:42Z")
When you have a shoot from the hip guy like Lutz in charge things like this happen. You need someone brash and slightly unstable to turn a company that was going completely in the wrong direction like GM around. You also need to get him good handlers so he doesn’t say stupid shit to the press, which apparently GM hasn’t figured out yet. I still think the new guidelines aren’t going to be that hard to meet, especially given the long timetable. Put a couple plug in hybrids into your lineup and watch their insanely high EPA test loop numbers bring up the average of all your other vehicles. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/are-you-kidding-gm-insanity-inside/42024.md?page=2)