# Armed black man shoots and kills 2 unarmed white people while working **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [August 26, 2015, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903 "2015-08-26T09:29:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/101 "2015-09-03T11:31:11Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > I feel like you have 0 understanding of how gun crime actually breaks down. Pretty sure this is the case for 99.99999% of people who think more gun laws will solve the problem. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/102 "2015-09-03T11:39:41Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Pretty sure this is the case for 99.99999% of people who think more gun laws will solve the problem. But we need to ban assault weapons because CNN said so… ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/103 "2015-09-03T11:50:34Z")
> [@King](#): > > didn’t they “confirm” these were hollow point, and also a head shot which is why it was a closed casket? no clue, and if they were, it wouldn’t have an effect as far as “throwing someone back”. A HP will create larger wound channels compared to ball ammo and likely stop part way into a target, instead of punching through. If you were to talk about a rifle round, such as a .223, which is traveling 2-3 times faster than your common pistol round… at close range, the bullet will travel right through tissue, creating a large wound channel but not exactly have “stopping” power. For example, if someone is running at you full speed, and you dump 5 rounds of .223 into the torso of that person, chances are, he/she will reach you and attack you. on the contrary, if you were carrying a .45 with JHP, and unloaded 5 rounds to the mid section or pelvis area (basically incapacitating the delivery system), chances are, their forward momentum will be stopped before they reach you…as the stopping power is much greater. > [@neonglh](#): > > Hollow points are more used to reduce collateral damage than to increase damage to the target, and you can get hit with a .223 and still not go down. This is the reason the go-to weapon for many people who do raids is a shotgun. It is the absolute best tool to immediately stop the threat. Yes, correct. Although the general public views HP ammo as people killers… it’s carried because of what you said. and secondly, fuck yes to the shotgun on raids, coming in second would be a UMP40 for the size and stopping power, IMHO way better than an M4 in CQB. - - - Updated - - - > [@King](#): > > didn’t they “confirm” these were hollow point, and also a head shot which is why it was a closed casket? > [@LZ](#): > > But we need to ban assault weapons because CNN said so… shit, we need to start lopping off feet and hands at birth! ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/104 "2015-09-05T02:24:01Z")
Exactly, just like the gun buybacks have saved lives. What annoys me is the people saying things like"even if it saves one life" then the laws should change. How is that democratic? The exact same people call for full term abortions, somewhere along there all logic and reason is thrown out of the window. More people die from heart disease every year. There is a concensus that a big contributor of heart disease is red meat. Wouldn’t it make sense then to ban or regulate all these steak-eaters? The thing is, it is a perfect comparison because far more people are likely to die from that than for “one life” to be effected by a shooting. Better yet , we should start giving out diet tickets through the use of diet police, because if we can save 2 lives, we should burden everybody with it. ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/105 "2015-09-05T06:19:30Z")
> [@neonglh](#): > > Hollow points are more used to reduce collateral damage than to increase damage to the target, and you can get hit with a .223 and still not go down. This is the reason the go-to weapon for many people who do raids is a shotgun. It is the absolute best tool to immediately stop the threat. You need to attend a ballistics lecture by Dr. Maurer. Keep an eye on GCL’s calendar, it’s free to attend. ---
**Author:** ![neonglh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neonglh/32/4951_2.png) [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/106 "2015-09-05T10:09:54Z")
> [@bpipe95](#): > > You need to attend a ballistics lecture by Dr. Maurer. Keep an eye on GCL’s calendar, it’s free to attend. Polite way of saying that I am wrong? :boink: ---
**Author:** ![bpipe95](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bpipe95/32/7294_2.png) [@bpipe95](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bpipe95)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/107 "2015-09-05T16:11:33Z")
> [@neonglh](#): > > Polite way of saying that I am wrong? :boink: Not really wrong, but its a good idea to get a better understanding of more modern information presented by the guy that has to repair the damage. Not to mention he is one of the best in his field and has more quality training than most Leo teams. Honestly it would beneficial to anyone discussing the topic. ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903/108 "2015-09-05T17:30:43Z")
Here’s an interesting section of an article in todays WSJ [![http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/540/zNia8W.jpg](http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/540/zNia8W.jpg)](https://imageshack.com/i/f0zNia8Wj) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/armed-black-man-shoots-and-kills-2-unarmed-white-people-while-working/272903.md?page=5)