# ATT. Keyboard Racers what Pittspeed Grudge Match are you most interested in Next Year
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**Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [November 29, 2006, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509 "2006-11-29T22:02:05Z")
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### Author:  [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/161 "2006-12-07T09:06:35Z")
quik beat a modded lightning before…therefore all modded lightnings are slower than quik, therefore quik cannot lose.
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/162 "2006-12-07T09:07:21Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/3653):
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> Simple question. Who do you think will win. Quick, or the lightening.
lightning\>\*.truck
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### Author:  [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/163 "2006-12-07T09:11:48Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/3654):
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> lightning\>\*.truck
love the stance they have
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### Author:  [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/164 "2006-12-07T09:12:20Z")
ask me about my weiner
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### Author:  [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/165 "2006-12-07T09:13:25Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/3653):
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> You stupid or something son?
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> Notice the " " marks around displacement when I was talkin about adding more air volume via spinning the super charger faster? I must have given you too much credit to asume you could understand that. Let me go back an elementy level so we can get on the same page. Displacement= potential volume of air a engine displaces. Rated in cubic inches or liters. Extremely rarely is it though that a 6.0l engine will displace 6.0l while running. (two complete crank revolution under its own power) There we run into a little thing call volumetric efficiency. under 100% and its moving less than 6.0l per two revs. Over 100% and is moving more than 6.0l. Ok so now we have a guy that has increased is baseline displacement, and increased his VE with other major mods and fine tuning. and another guy with a smaller base cube that is probably running even less efficient (super chargers rob alot of power, and generate alot of heat in the intake carge). You guys are already crying about the supercharger?
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> Simple question. Who do you think will win. Quick, or the lightening.
all im sayin is, no pulley adds cubes, it creats more volume of air going threw and into the motor, but will not add more cubes to a s/c itself
who do i think will win, the one with traction, most knw quiks setup that hes going to run, whats this lighting going to be running?
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### Author:  [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/166 "2006-12-07T09:13:45Z")
> [@For the Nitrous folks](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/for-the-nitrous-folks/26325/10):
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> ask me about my weiner
come on man, just ask me about my weiner
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### Author:  [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/167 "2006-12-07T09:14:11Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/3654):
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> lightning\>\*.truck
that could be a very true statement. now that i think about it, they are the coolest trucks…even better than the srt ram, i think…but not by much.
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/168 "2006-12-07T09:17:35Z")
> [@STi shite fuel gauge or someone syphoning?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sti-shite-fuel-gauge-or-someone-syphoning/26345/6):
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> that could be a very true statement. now that i think about it, they are the coolest trucks…even better than the srt ram, i think…but not by much.
The silverado ss sucks, the ram is cool because it has a viper engine(but it’s a dodge, so that takes away any coolness factor), so we are left with the lightning. 😃
I still like the old school lightning with the 351 though. The new ones are nice but I really don’t like the way they look.
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### Author:  [@Orr89rocz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Orr89rocz)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/169 "2006-12-07T09:17:36Z")
> first off, a pulley doesn not change displacment, the arrgument ppl bring forward is, say a cobra, has a 4.6, and the s/c is a 2.2 soo that then makes a 6.8 motor, but i dont really belive that theory tho. no body ever said changin a pulley will add displacemnt, mr. know it all u should konw that a pulley change will just spin the screws faster thats all. i never knew a change of pulley would add more cubes to a blower. Soo wait if u say that, then me puttin a smaller pulley on my cranks should increase my motors cubes?!?!? awesome
yeah its all about how much air you get into the motor. a charger is capable of throwing in the same amount of air into a smaller motor, as a bigger motor pulls in n/a. so in a sense it kinda does increase displacement. it makes it act like a larger motor. like how a 1.8 liter honda can make 500whp like a n/a 408 lsx. the honda burns the same amount of air and fuel from the additional 30psi of boost as the 408 inch lsx uses
n/a is great…produces solid power and really makes for good top end when built right but nothing can compete with FI. esp turbo systems. you make substantially more power than what can be streetably run in a n/a motor.
the power band is usually flatter…the torque curve in a boosted application tends to have alot more low end than a similar hp output n/a motor… this area under the curve shows itself at the strip. and is by far a better street driven car than a high hp high rpm n/a motor.
and as far as who wins?? it doesnt matter if quik is n/a and the lightening is boosted. its all about whos gettin the most power to weight out of the setup…usually…and has the gearing setup right. if quik makes more power to weight, then he’ll win. 9 times outta 10. if he plans on a 408, you can count on 530whp+ thats bout average for a hot 408 ls1 package. lightning will need atleast 500 to match, which seems like a built bottom end and a KB blower or heavily ported eaton…or addition of spray on any of the combos. cuz i thought 460-470 was the limit on the stock bottom end
> The silverado ss sucks, the ram is cool because it has a viper engine
the ram is such a big truck tho…its too tall looking and just overall big. i’d like to see if that motor would fit into the older rams which seem smaller in proportion or the dakota
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### Author:  [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/170 "2006-12-07T09:20:13Z")
I just love the comments “needs a blower to beat…” meanwhile quik sprays 🤣
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### Author:  [@T70\_Tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/T70_Tsi)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/171 "2006-12-07T09:20:55Z")
> [@Greatest Commercial known to man V. Ferrari](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/greatest-commercial-known-to-man-v-ferrari/26296/7):
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> all im sayin is, no pulley adds cubes, it creats more volume of air going threw and into the motor, but will not add more cubes to a s/c itself
lol what do you think displacement is measured by??
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### Author:  [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/172 "2006-12-07T09:21:57Z")
> [@77rednecktruck"](#):
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> The silverado ss sucks, the ram is cool because it has a viper engine(but it’s a dodge, so that takes away any coolness factor), so we are left with the lightning. 😃
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> I still like the old school lightning with the 351 though. The new ones are nice but I really don’t like the way they look.
yes, gm messed up making the sliverado SS, why the fuck would u make it ext cab and all that stupid shit, and finally make a option for 2wd. GM should have made it 2door short bed, 2wd, and put a 6.0 or 5.3 with a s/c on it and not ask for a leg, an arm, and ur first born
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### Author:  [@YellowZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/YellowZ)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/173 "2006-12-07T09:23:38Z")
I just read all this shit and I have to say that I don’t care who wins or who which side of the argument is right, but I think that I have to side with the people that read and comprehend someones point before responding rather than just blindly spouting out their side.
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/174 "2006-12-07T09:24:36Z")
> [@Flying Bison ---Meet](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flying-bison-meet/25833/8):
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> lol what do you think displacement is measured by??
displacement=.785 \* bore^2 \* stroke \* #of cylinders
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### Author:  [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/175 "2006-12-07T09:25:21Z")
> [@Flying Bison ---Meet](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/flying-bison-meet/25833/8):
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> lol what do you think displacement is measured by??
i konw this curt, im sayin tho, it does not acutally gain more pysical cubes by changing a pulley on a blower, cobra guys either get them ported, or get a KB or a wipple, athat is a 2.3 or a 2.4 blower. thats all my arrgument was. look as i said before, im not bench racing for anybody, and it drives me nuts when others bench race for other ppl
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### Author:  [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/176 "2006-12-07T09:28:14Z")
> [@summer roller hockey](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/summer-roller-hockey/25311/65):
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> yes, gm messed up making the sliverado SS, why the fuck would u make it ext cab and all that stupid shit, and finally make a option for 2wd. GM should have made it 2door short bed, 2wd, and put a 6.0 or 5.3 with a s/c on it and not ask for a leg, an arm, and ur first born
agreed. its still a nice lookin truck, but it doesnt excite me much. i like the lightnings, then the SRTs, then the silverado SS
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### Author:  [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/177 "2006-12-07T09:29:36Z")
i loove the lightnings
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### Author:  [@burnyd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnyd)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/178 "2006-12-07T09:36:24Z")
> [@The Rex is coming along...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-rex-is-coming-along/26348/12):
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> i loove the lightnings
so whats up with your weiner?
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### Author:  [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/179 "2006-12-07T09:36:39Z")
it rated this thread with 5 stars!!!
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### Author:  [@Dominator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dominator)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2006, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/att-keyboard-racers-what-pittspeed-grudge-match-are-you-most-interested-in-next-year/186509/180 "2006-12-07T09:41:32Z")
> [@STi shite fuel gauge or someone syphoning?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sti-shite-fuel-gauge-or-someone-syphoning/26345/8):
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> i konw this curt, im sayin tho, it does not acutally gain more pysical cubes by changing a pulley on a blower, cobra guys either get them ported, or get a KB or a wipple, athat is a 2.3 or a 2.4 blower. thats all my arrgument was. look as i said before, im not bench racing for anybody, and it drives me nuts when others bench race for other ppl
Um, it actually does gain more physical cubes. :stick:
Symantics will drive you crazy. Its no great epiphany that calculated displacement based on a givin bore and stoke will not change unless said bore and stroke are altered. We all already know this. Just as we all know power adders put more physical cubic inches of burnable oxygen into you engine. It just drives me nuts when people think they are educating everyone with their great engine knowledge.
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