# ATTN NYSpeed lawyers: What are the legal liabilities associated with... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 24, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026 "2008-10-24T14:06:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/1 "2008-10-24T14:06:22Z")
trading in my STi with a resistor defeating the airbag light… ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/2 "2008-10-24T14:10:32Z")
depends on whats wrong with the airbag system, and if the car becomes involved in an accident that would cause the airbag to deploy but if i remember correctly, the car doesnt have a DS airbag anymore, or even the stock steering wheel. so it would eb hard for anyone to ever say “i didnt know there wasnt an airbag in the vehical” if im correct about the steering wheel / airbag, it becomes the dealerships responsibility to install one / test the system, and teh system test will inform them if theres still a problem the resistors wired in where the bag connecter is right ? so it has to come out for a new airbag to go in anyways ? ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/3 "2008-10-24T14:10:41Z")
probably fairly high. i’m not a lawyer though, so roll the dice. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/4 "2008-10-24T14:11:52Z")
I am converting back to stock, i disassembled my OEM clock spring in order to install the sparco wheel. I was going to put the wheel back on, but without the clock spring, which has the wires that control the airbag… ---
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/5 "2008-10-24T14:14:42Z")
if you put the OEM wheel back on, you better buy the OEM clock spring and do it right… I cant imagine they are THAT expensive since they are probably subaru impreza universal… ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/6 "2008-10-24T14:15:24Z")
id say do the negotiations w/ the resistor installed, then yank it at the last min when you actualy trade it in, that way they find the problem later unless you plan on buying more cars from the same dealer later on edit: clock springs are usually like $100 new, they are simple but built to a very high standard at the same time ---
**Author:** ![TurboTSi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@TurboTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTSi)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/7 "2008-10-24T14:21:19Z")
In all honesty thats probably one of the most irresponsible things you could do to a car. The airbags are there for a reason, and just to save a few bucks you’re putting whomever buys the car at risk. Just think if your family member bought a car and died due to the fact the airbag never deployed. Do it right and either fix it or let the dealership know about it. ---
**Author:** ![baseball24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/baseball24/32/7452_2.png) [@baseball24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/baseball24)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/8 "2008-10-24T14:22:57Z")
air bags hurt ---
**Author:** ![dreid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dreid/32/7388_2.png) [@dreid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dreid)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/9 "2008-10-24T14:27:21Z")
buy the clock spring and what are you turning it in for? ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/10 "2008-10-24T14:31:26Z")
getting rid of my truck and car. getting a cheap DD, and maybe something that will overshadow all of my other vehicles in sweetness… ---
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/11 "2008-10-24T14:32:18Z")
> [@baseball24](#): > > air bags hurt a steering wheel to the neck / steering wheel retaining nut to the chest / inner thigh to the cb radio / knees to the steel knee board hurts worse lesson: never go head on with a ford explorer thats doing 70+ ---
**Author:** ![baseball24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/baseball24/32/7452_2.png) [@baseball24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/baseball24)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/12 "2008-10-24T14:32:41Z")
newman can you buy me something sweeettt to please ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/13 "2008-10-24T14:33:35Z")
after the stink you made in my “gas thread” this should be a no brainer newman 😉 get the clockspring and do it right so there is no question of liability ---
**Author:** ![baseball24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/baseball24/32/7452_2.png) [@baseball24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/baseball24)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/14 "2008-10-24T14:33:53Z")
> [@HotRodKid](#): > > a steering wheel to the neck / steering wheel retaining nut to the chest / inner thigh to the cb radio / knees to the steel knee board hurts worse > > lesson: never go head on with a ford explorer thats doing 70+ well the last accident i was in the air bag hurt me more then anything and also did more damage to the car ---
**Author:** ![reliant\_turbo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/reliant_turbo/32/7189_2.png) [@reliant\_turbo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/reliant_turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/15 "2008-10-24T16:48:27Z")
i have a feeling that its the dealers responsibility to find any problems and to ensure that the vehicle is safe for the next buyer unless they sell it “as-is”. put a switch on the resistor. put a pair of sweet aviator sunglasses above the visor. when you go to drop the car off after you signed all the paperwork and they move it to their parking space, say “oops, i forgot a pair of sunglasses in the car, may i get them”. get them and discreetly flip the switch and leave. you could put a 1-2hr timer and a relay on the line that you put the resistor on. you can get cheap timer kits online. I bought a few for a timed pump project i did a ways back. this one i found costs like 12$ [http://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/QK152](http://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/QK152) Brian ---
**Author:** ![JustinH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JustinH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JustinH)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/16 "2008-10-24T17:07:48Z")
You can buy a clockspring used on [car-part.com](http://car-part.com) for around 20 bucks for most cars, might be more for a subaru, but I doubt it. I used to buy and sell airbags and parts… Spend about an hour calling junkyards, sort it down by price, you will find one to sell you just the clockspring. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/17 "2008-10-24T17:08:49Z")
> [@reliant\_turbo](#): > > i have a feeling that its the dealers responsibility to find any problems and to ensure that the vehicle is safe for the next buyer unless they sell it “as-is”. > > put a switch on the resistor. put a pair of sweet aviator sunglasses above the visor. when you go to drop the car off after you signed all the paperwork and they move it to their parking space, say “oops, i forgot a pair of sunglasses in the car, may i get them”. get them and discreetly flip the switch and leave. > > you could put a 1-2hr timer and a relay on the line that you put the resistor on. you can get cheap timer kits online. I bought a few for a timed pump project i did a ways back. this one i found costs like 12$ [http://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/QK152](http://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/QK152) > > Brian Well isn’t that just beyond sketchy. :bloated: You’re no fool. You’re going to do it right. At the rate you trade cars in you should probably try and stay on the good side of every dealer in Buffalo anyway. 😛 Don’t let the cat out of the bag, but is this super sweet possible new ride one that starts with “F” and ends with “errari”? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/18 "2008-10-24T17:18:19Z")
How about you finish the e30? ---
**Author:** ![AfXtc777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@AfXtc777](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AfXtc777)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/19 "2008-10-24T17:23:04Z")
Why not just disclose to the dealer? ---
**Author:** ![Pauly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pauly/32/7493_2.png) [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026/20 "2008-10-24T17:35:11Z")
> [@reliant\_turbo](#): > > i have a feeling that its the dealers responsibility to find any problems and to ensure that the vehicle is safe for the next buyer unless they sell it “as-is”.Brian There is no such thing as “as-is” when buying from a dealer. It must be in working condition for the dealer to sell it (called Used Car Certification). They would be responsible for it when its sold. Of course thats if they notice etc… [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-nyspeed-lawyers-what-are-the-legal-liabilities-associated-with/57026.md?page=2)