# Attn road racers: Formula 1000 is a go! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 24, 2006, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426 "2006-08-24T16:28:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![neurokinetik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neurokinetik/32/7270_2.png) [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/1 "2006-08-24T16:28:54Z")
In this month’s FastTrack ([http://www.scca.com/\_FileLibrary/File/06-9-fastrack.pdf](http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/06-9-fastrack.pdf)), the SCCA has published some of the rules for the new Formula 1000 class for club racing. What does this mean? Well, basically a Formula 1000 is either a Formula Continental or Formula Ford that uses a stock 1000cc motorcycle engine. Mininum weight is 1000lbs, with driver. With these engines making around 180HP, you can imagine how fun one of these cars would be, and with the reliability of the engines, you don’t need to worry about constant rebuilds. Other things that you commonly see on motorcycles, like the Power Commander will be allowed, too. This class will be a great way to get into a formula car and go racing for not a lot of money. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/2 "2006-08-24T17:13:00Z")
> [@neurokinetik](#): > > Other things that you commonly see on motorcycles, like the Power Commander will be allowed, too. Awww shit. Change in plans 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/3 "2006-08-24T17:39:53Z")
Rules seem loose, but I haven’t looked close at the other open wheel classes. So yeah, it could be cheap, or really expensive. I know that I have never been impressed with the price of Formula Ford stuff. However, I have only priced stuff while thumbing through a Pegasus so it could have been marked up 600%. It’ll be something to look into a few years from now. ---
**Author:** ![MaximaSE98](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/maximase98/32/7600_2.png) [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/4 "2006-08-24T17:44:16Z")
thats sweet…now to get money to build a Formula car ---
**Author:** ![neurokinetik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neurokinetik/32/7270_2.png) [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/5 "2006-08-24T18:53:41Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Rules seem loose, but I haven’t looked close at the other open wheel classes. Well, they are keeping things on the cheap side by requiring all of the cars to be steel tube-framed without stress-bearing panels, and no carbon fiber except in places where it won’t help. 13" wheel size, maximum 10" wide won’t be all that expensive either. The idea here is that you pick up a roller FC or FF, drop in your new drivetrain and go race. There are homologation rules in effect so you will also be limited that way in the things that you can do. With 1000lbs minimum weight, I don’t think you’ll be seeing too much exotic stuff, either. ---
**Author:** ![Locutus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/locutus/32/7574_2.png) [@Locutus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Locutus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/6 "2006-08-24T18:56:31Z")
are these kit cars? link? ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/7 "2006-08-24T19:19:34Z")
> [@neurokinetik](#): > > Well, they are keeping things on the cheap side What is your idea of “the cheap side” ? Although I can’t think of rule additions or subtractions that would help. > [@Locutus](#): > > are these kit cars? > > link? No, most of the companies make turn-key or rollers. This will give you a quick idea, just slap in a 1000cc bike engine… [http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/vandmens.htm](http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/vandmens.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Garick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8797f3/32.png) [@Garick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Garick)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/8 "2006-08-24T23:41:41Z")
So what is the major appeal of the bike engine versus what these cars normally run? What is it normally? 1.6 or 2 liters…I thought I saw duratec and zetec mentioned in there? I would love to own a bike powered race car someday. That DSR at Seneca really turned me on to those cars. ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/9 "2006-08-25T01:12:39Z")
> [@Garick](#): > > So what is the major appeal of the bike engine versus what these cars normally run? What is it normally? 1.6 or 2 liters…I thought I saw duratec and zetec mentioned in there? > . - Motorcycle engines are much more reliable and sturdy compared to car engines, and can take much more abuse. Dare I say bulleteproof. - Motorcycle engines are cheaper to get parts for - Motorcycle engines are easier to maintain - Motorcycle engines cost less than the engines run in most of these cars, and are more plentiful since you can pick up any wrecked bike and just grab the engine for cheap. - Easier to extract more horsepower out of the motorcycle engine, and provide just as much if not more power thanks to PCIII (Power Commander) - Motorcycle engines are lighter in some cases - Motorcycle engines include the tranny, so no separate transmission, and with simply changing two sprockets, a wider range of gearing is possible v.s. opening and rebuilding car trannies. Should I keep going? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![neurokinetik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neurokinetik/32/7270_2.png) [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/10 "2006-08-25T14:10:14Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > What is your idea of “the cheap side” ? > > Although I can’t think of rule additions or subtractions that would help. > > No, most of the companies make turn-key or rollers. > > This will give you a quick idea, just slap in a 1000cc bike engine… > > [http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/vandmens.htm](http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/vandmens.htm) On the cheap side = around 10-15k, which is less than half of what it would cost to do something like a Formula Mazda, or even a front-running Spec Miata for that matter. Add in the bulletproof motorcycle engine and your fun/$ factor is very high. I know you can get into IT for cheap in most cases, but fact is, I want to be in something that can win, and something that gives me a good ROI over the long haul, with class stability (which is the one big problem with IT, IMO.) I’ve been thinking FF, because it is the perfect dual-purpose vehicle, but I’d rather not have to think about dealing with a carbed engine. This is where F1000 is very appealing. The only piece of the puzzle that needs to fall into place is where (if any place) it would be classed should I choose to auto-x it as well. Once that gets figured out, it will pretty much be a done deal for me. ---
**Author:** ![rushman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/11 "2006-08-25T14:39:23Z")
What is the power output/weight of a formula ford? ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/12 "2006-08-25T14:58:35Z")
> [@neurokinetik](#): > > On the cheap side = around 10-15k, After doing Formula 600 for the last few years I think it will cost twice to do this: > [@neurokinetik](#): > > I want to be in something that can win, You can absolutely get into the game for 10-15k, but I think the front runners will put much more than that into it. Yes, IT is a cheaper class, but there also EF hatches and DA tegs with 20k into them, and bimmers worth upwards of 50k. ---
**Author:** ![AKUMA\_TO\_TENSHI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AKUMA\_TO\_TENSHI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AKUMA_TO_TENSHI)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/attn-road-racers-formula-1000-is-a-go/16426/13 "2006-08-25T15:51:18Z")
Can I just put 2 more wheels on the R1 and run it? Any pre built frames out there have motor. A posibility of another money pit.