# Audiophiles called out **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 2, 2008, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/audiophiles-called-out/41090 "2008-01-02T08:39:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 82
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/audiophiles-called-out/41090/82 "2008-01-03T11:16:25Z")
> [@walter](#): > > You obviously didnt read the thread if you felt that this was an appropriate post without thinking that it would be enough evidence to change :fuckingretardedassmoron to :66impalass: > > The RC challenge, that has been standing for years, and referenced in this post, clearly states you can use any combination of sources, media, etc you want. > > On top of that, if you looked in to the JREF challenge, you would see that the problem is not with Randi and the tester, but rather the fact that the manufacturer has no balls, and refuses to loan cables to be used for the test. [Pear Cable Chickens Out of $1,000,000 Challenge, We Search For Answers](http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/exclusive-interviews/pear-cable-chickens-out-of-1000000-challenge-we-search-for-answers-315250.php). While it doesn’t state the details, it is obviously mutually agreeable to both the tester, and the testee (hehe :beavis:) > > You are the one that clearly has no idea what they are talking about in this post :hay: And obviously you have a hard time with reading comprehension, it was stated that M. Fremer was willing to use an even more expensive cable in the test Randi said he would not. Even taken from the article you posted > Soon after Adam Blake announced Michael Fremer’s challenge to Randi, Fremer and James Randi began negotiating the details of the test. Even though Randi taunted Fremer with trash talk and ridicule, Randi stated clearly that the tests would only take place if they both agreed on the parameters. Fremer offered possibilities for the test, one of which included an offer for Fremer to use his own $15,000 Tara Labs cables for the testing. Randi said he would pose those possibilities to his advisors. But Randi says his advisors later ruled against that idea. “We’re not going to go for [Fremer’s] reference cables,” Randi told us in an exclusive interview. “We’re testing Pear Anjou cables. That was the original test. We’re going to assess them to see if they perform better than the much cheaper Monster cables. And if he wants to go to his reference cables, we’ll do that next if that’s what he wants. It’s his test, you see? He has to make the terms himself.” The JREF was afraid of using reference cables. Congrats for proving my post… seriously did you read the article, all it talked about was how Randi would use negative language towards Fremer, smearing him and what not. Pear has seen Randi skew results in the end. I mean seriously > That didn’t sound to us like an answer, but more a criticism of Randi and doubt of his trustworthiness, which was [expressed by Pear Cable from the start](http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/double-blind/pear-cable-calls-james-randis-1-million-offer-a-hoax-307473.php). What had changed? After we asked Blake a few more times for a reason why he withdrew his cables from a challenge he announced himself via a press release sent to Gizmodo two weeks earlier, Blake continued to point to Randi, disbelieving that Randi would allow a legitimate test to occur. “The test was not just for Pear Cable. James Randi challenged someone with a media presence to differentiate between Pear Cable OR Transparent cable and an entry level cable. Michael Fremer (not Pear Cable) offered to take the challenge and presented James Randi with 3 cable options, his own Tara Labs cables, the Pear Cables, or the Transparent Cables. We offered to loan Michael Fremer some cable IF he wanted to use it for the test.” > After those three options were presented to Randi by Fremer, Randi at first said he liked the third option of using Fremer’s Tara Labs cables, but wanted to check with his advisors before agreeing to the idea. This is where Blake changed the story around to fit his company’s devices: “James Randi suggested that Fremer use his own cable (subject to advisors), and then Pear Cable decided not to participate for the reasons already stated.” According to Randi and Fremer, this is not what happened. It was Fremer who posited this idea to Randi, who hadn’t accepted it yet when Pear withdrew from the challenge I am confused what the article that you posted was trying to prove, well besides that you really have no idea what you are talking about, and that Randi is shady. Just in case you missed it: > Even though Randi taunted Fremer with trash talk and ridicule, Randi stated clearly that the tests would only take place if they both agreed on the parameters Again if he really wanted to prove that you can not hear a difference between cables why not at least use the transparent cables, as they are the cheapest of the bunch, or even use the Tara Labs, surely if the pears are not worth $7,200 these can no way be worth $15,000… God you suck at life, please end yourself. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/audiophiles-called-out/41090)._